5 home wins getting beat by WBA ,wigan etc etc how can this just be put up with ,just shameful criminal in fact
Unheard of even during souness days.
criminal is takling it a bit far. embarassing yes. But there's nothinmg left to debate. We just need to get to the end of the season, hopefully win the cup and let the owners do their duty over the summer.
seriously if they don't ask kenny to resign in the close season than I don't know football.
I'd be bothered if it was at the start of the season, the fact is, the league top 4 push was arguably over after the Arsenal home game. That was confirmed completely in the following games after that.
The only thing the players should be playing for in the league now, is self pride and pride for the club.
What bothers me is that these games were meaningless weeks back and we are not seeing any youth be given experience in these games! It's the same old, same old. We've even had injuries and the youth still haven't been given games!
Gerrard has turned into about as injury prone as you can get, it's questionable now, if he is indeed injured at all!...is he loosing the taste for it?
I think so.
He's being protected however, because of his history with the club. Sentiment gives him a day of.
But why aren't the likes of Suso and Sterling given a few games in the first team? They are training with them!
I'd understand it if we was challenging, but we're not and these games account for nothing. It would be valuable time for them and pretty much fail-safe!....what have they or the club got to loose at this point?
That's what bothers me!
I think we all know Kenny won't be here next season, whether it be sacked, mutual-consent, resignation or whatever. He will be given to the end of the season, there is no point making the change now, when we are in another final and he can leave on a slightly better note.
The owners aren't that ruthless, I don't think.
agree about the youngsters not been given a go
Kenny has already been told that he is going at the end of the season. He is being moved upstairs and a new manager will come in.
tomato or brown source please?
I want to see Suso in action big time, the team and fans need something fresh and exciting that will possibly show a glimer of hope for the future!
Kenny has already been told that he is going at the end of the season. He is being moved upstairs and a new manager will come in.
upstairs were too ?
Kenny has already been told that he is going at the end of the season. He is being moved upstairs and a new manager will come in.
upstairs were too ?
Dont worry- it is not DOF- that will be berguistain
Kenny has already been told that he is going at the end of the season. He is being moved upstairs and a new manager will come in.
upstairs were too ?
Dont worry- it is not DOF- that will be berguistain
well were upstairs ? sorry he should be removed from the club as he will hang over the club like a dark shadow 5 league wins from 17 games just a disgrace !!!!
I think Kenny should get a role at the academy, he is still a legend and youth players will look up to him at the academy and be in awe of him.
I'm sure they will also learn alot from him with regards to playing.
I think Kenny should get a role at the academy, he is still a legend and youth players will look up to him at the academy and be in awe of him.
I'm sure they will also learn alot from him with regards to playing.
Have to disagree with that one, I think once he goes it should be completely from the Club, no good having a person who is very limited with formations, tactics and has never had a plan B when things are not going right on the pitch trying to teach youngsters.
And here I am thinking "When they say Kenny will 'go upstairs' I hope they're not taking out a hit on him".
Five wins from seventeen is shocking at home. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the bottom three are better than that. I know QPR have won their last four.
The good thing is IMO that we only really need a couple of players who can actually score.
Today was the first game of the season I couldn't be bothered to watch. Delighted with that decision.
Our league position is not a false one as some would have us believe. We have a mid-table team with a mid-table manager and mid-table coaching staff. Hey presto we finish mid-table.
The only false result is our cup form.
Today was the first game of the season I couldn't be bothered to watch. Delighted with that decision.
Our league position is not a false one as some would have us believe. We have a mid-table team with a mid-table manager and mid-table coaching staff. Hey presto we finish mid-table.
The only false result is our cup form.
Disagree. We have earned every cup victory either with good play or spirit and hard fought determination. Mostly a combination of the two in fact.
Also, our team creates a bucket load of chances. Easily enough clear cut ones for us to be right up near 4th. We aren't as far away as you make out.
Today was the first game of the season I couldn't be bothered to watch. Delighted with that decision.
Our league position is not a false one as some would have us believe. We have a mid-table team with a mid-table manager and mid-table coaching staff. Hey presto we finish mid-table.
The only false result is our cup form.
Disagree. We have earned every cup victory either with good play or spirit and hard fought determination. Mostly a combination of the two in fact.
Also, our team creates a bucket load of chances. Easily enough clear cut ones for us to be right up near 4th. We aren't as far away as you make out.
are you serious ?
Today was the first game of the season I couldn't be bothered to watch. Delighted with that decision.
Our league position is not a false one as some would have us believe. We have a mid-table team with a mid-table manager and mid-table coaching staff. Hey presto we finish mid-table.
The only false result is our cup form.
Disagree. We have earned every cup victory either with good play or spirit and hard fought determination. Mostly a combination of the two in fact.
Also, our team creates a bucket load of chances. Easily enough clear cut ones for us to be right up near 4th. We aren't as far away as you make out.
are you serious ?
100%. 2 players and a change of manager.
RW. A new no.9 who's a proper finisher. Stands to reason if we are better in these departments then we will probably make even more chances, and if half of our woodwork hits had gone in we would already be rocketing up the league.
If we had chosen our no.9 more effectively I strongly believe we would be only a few points off 4th right now.
only villa,wigan,bolton and wolves won less at home than liverpool how can this be defended ?
only villa,wigan,bolton and wolves won less at home than liverpool how can this be defended ?
Who's trying to defend it?
only villa,wigan,bolton and wolves won less at home than liverpool how can this be defended ?
Who's trying to defend it?
well why isnt there more uproar ? its just getting washed over .
Roy Hodgson has now won as many league games at Anfield in 2012 as Dalglish. And that's a fact..
Bring back Roy so
. Its the worst league form I can remember terrible
Bring back Roy so
. Its the worst league form I can remember terrible
no roy wasnt good enough but after millions wasted liverpool are no better than when roy left , but hey its king kenny so he gets a walkover
I agree with you was just having a laugh Roy is not the answer obviously. Will be a interesting summer and we should see what the owners are made of one way or the other
not form the fans who are fair and not biased.
Kenny MUST GO but we cannot see this happening until the close season.
Kenny has dug his own grave by coming back wrong move. Most people who had respect for him including me now feel, this hero has come back and put us further behind, made us a laughing stock.
Unfortunately I will remember kenny for his latest stint at the club and not the great achievements in the past. Tarnished image very much like souness.
I would be in a more cheerful mood even with those defeats had the reserves got a run out but Kenny persists with the senior squad when its clear they aren't even bothered about losing.
Kenny has already been told that he is going at the end of the season. He is being moved upstairs and a new manager will come in.
upstairs were too ?
Hopefully the roof of the main stand there's a lot of pigeon muck up there needs cleaning. Seriously when (please god) he goes I don't want to see his face anywhere near LFC ever again. The damage he did in the 80's and now this makes me so angry.
Love to see shelvey get more time! Also suso and sterling! Last few league games should be used for coates aswell
Kenny has to go. He is inept as a Manager and to much is put on how good a player he was masking the real fact that he cannot manage .
As long as there are fans who are bias and blind when it comes to Kenny, thats how long some fans will put up with these performances.
As long as there are fans who are bias and blind when it comes to Kenny, thats how long some fans will put up with these performances
the disturbing thing is that they actually believe the "bad luck" excuse, pointing out static "stats"
As long as there are fans who are bias and blind when it comes to Kenny, thats how long some fans will put up with these performances.
who are these mysterious fans? i have yet to meet any of them.
I have met some on forums never in real life. The Kop chants Dalglish so there must be a few on there that think he is the bee's knees but again never met one who thinks he is either in the pubs or heard any on the local radio. (Radio City / Merseyside)
After Kenny left the club in 1991 we had :
Souness - CRAP - no league title
Evans - CRAP - no league title
Houllier - petty CRAP - league cup + Europa
Benitez - OK CRAP - CL + FA
Roy - [oops] CRAP
Kenny - ??? League cup (+ Europa next season) - FA Cup ??????
Where have we gone wrong after all these years
maybe because they appreciate what a legend he is, and despite the negatives recognise the positives he has brought and that he is doing everything in his power to do what right by the club.
people shiite on about how badly roy hodgson was treated and yet dalglish is getting dogs abuse. i find that quite laughable.
People who remember him as a legend and use that excuse as why he should stay is a joke.
Yes he is a legend! but he is not doing his job and should be looked at like any other manager.
Whats the answer then Tom 'Kenny out!' chants for the remaining games?
People who remember him as a legend and use that excuse as why he should stay is a joke.
and who is that tom? who does that? no one. its a false arguement.
People who remember him as a legend and use that excuse as why he should stay is a joke.
And what about people who try tell others they are a joke for choosing to support the manager?
That's the thing we do appreciate that he is a legend, but cum on, was it any other manager, u would've felt the same way. What happened to no one is bigger than the club. We all LOVE LFC, but face it, we are a joke at the moment. I felt like those last quater of the season when Rafa and Roy was in charge, when i couldn't bring myself to watch our matches.
I have been lucky to have seen Kenny play and my other hero John Barnes. They were world class footballers but both lousy managers. Kenny Dalglish has to be judged only on his performance as current manager what him being a legend has to do with it lord only knows.
im not saying he should stay on, im not saying he is amazing, but people are comparing him t hodgson and stan wants him to clean shiit off the roof of anfield. for goodness sake, two domestic finals is not a disaster. the league has been a disaster, but the whole picture needs to be examined here.
The Premiership is the whole picture, you have 38 games to prove how good you are and your league position is a reflection on the club. Our league form this season has been a disaster, there is no other way of looking at it... No matter what happens in the FA Cup, it doesn't disguise the league. It would be magic to have 2 trophies this season but then the excuses are already lined up for our abysmal league campaign!
im not saying he should stay on, im not saying he is amazing, but people are comparing him t hodgson and stan wants him to clean shiit off the roof of anfield. for goodness sake, two domestic finals is not a disaster. the league has been a disaster, but the whole picture needs to be examined here.
The domestic finals aren't really part of the bigger picture though - FSG are in it for the money so it's all about the league and the CL. Kenny is responsible for �115m worth of player purchases that haven't qualified us for the champions league or made us any better than we were last year. All we have won is the league cup which has a winners prize of �100,000! If you think that's good management I'd love to know what you think is bad management!!!
Imagine kenny on dragon's den:
kenny: "give me �115m and I'll win you a shiny little cup that the big clubs don't want AND �100k"
dragons: "I'm out"!
except its not the whole picture so why did you bother saying that it is.
there's other competitons by which to assess a club not to mention the development of internal mechanisms, commercial developments, the list goes on. if you want to judge the club on the league alone then thats fine, but you cant call it the whole picture.
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
im not saying he should stay on, im not saying he is amazing, but people are comparing him t hodgson and stan wants him to clean shiit off the roof of anfield. for goodness sake, two domestic finals is not a disaster. the league has been a disaster, but the whole picture needs to be examined here.
Comparing him to Hodgson IS unfair....on Roy! Roy has spent pennies and beat us in our own backyard WITH WEST BROM, and is just 1 point behind us in the league. Sorry, but anyone offering even the slightest defence of Kenny must be insane.
great arguement..... insults.
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
Not as sad as being 8th in the league despite spending a fortune. A few years ago our rivals were Man Utd, Barcelona, Milan, Real Madrid, Arsenal........now it's fulham, west brom & cardiff. Still, we've got the carling cup, eh?
The league has to be our main priority, surely? This is the manager's and players responsibility and they haven't delivered. The target this season was to challenge for a top 4 place which we have never really been close too, surely therefore this season can't be classed as a success?
It's a bonus winning cup competitions, but Birmingham won the Carling Cup last season and got relegated... At the end of the day, if you look at money spent this season and what our objectives were, I think we have failed... Perhaps this is why FSG are already wielding the axe!
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
It isn't sad if you look at it in economic terms. Carling Cup and FA Cup run, win or lose, will bring in about �2 million. Champions League, even just making the group stages and advancing no further, would bring in about �20 million. It's as simple as that. And you can bet that John Henry is looking at it the same way. He's a businessman, not a romantic. In modern football, domestic silverware is becoming less and less relevant.
sure, its main priority. im not using the words success or failure. its too black and white. the league has been poor, we havent achieved our goal. but we have achieved other things and it needs to be acknowledged.
the problem round here chris (and im not aiming this at you) is that as soon as someone says anything positive at all, they automatically become a blind kenny lover who think he should be manager till the end of time and that nothing is wrong at the club and mid table is where we want to be. its a waste of time and ensures that mindless debates go on for far too long.
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
Not as sad as being 8th in the league despite spending a fortune. A few years ago our rivals were Man Utd, Barcelona, Milan, Real Madrid, Arsenal........now it's fulham, west brom & cardiff. Still, we've got the carling cup, eh?
Please don't dismiss peoples opinions without thinking about it,no point debating with people who are not willing to listen to others peoples thoughts.
Any potential new manager should think very carefully about taking the job at LFC if he is going to be turned on so quickly,sad reflection on supporters these days.
great arguement..... insults.
My argument relates to the rest of my post, not just the final word.
Fair enough, my worry is that the longer the club remains out of the Champions League, the further behind we will fall behind our rivals. We can't advance on or off the pitch without CL income!
To be honest I don't care who the manager is as long as were successful!
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
It isn't sad if you look at it in economic terms. Carling Cup and FA Cup run, win or lose, will bring in about �2 million. Champions League, even just making the group stages and advancing no further, would bring in about �20 million. It's as simple as that. And you can bet that John Henry is looking at it the same way. He's a businessman, not a romantic. In modern football, domestic silverware is becoming less and less relevant.
I am a Liverpool football club supporter,not how much money can LFC generate for John Henry supporter.
LFC are trying to get back to the top after being almost destroyed,there will be ups and downs along the way,until John Henry puts money into the club,it will be struggling to compete.
Fair enough, my worry is that the longer the club remains out of the Champions League, the further behind we will fall behind our rivals. We can't advance on or off the pitch without CL income!
To be honest I don't care who the manager is as long as were successful!
couldnt agree more.
great arguement..... insults.
My argument relates to the rest of my post, not just the final word.
the rest of your post was yet another sarcastic humourless rhetoric.
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
Not as sad as being 8th in the league despite spending a fortune. A few years ago our rivals were Man Utd, Barcelona, Milan, Real Madrid, Arsenal........now it's fulham, west brom & cardiff. Still, we've got the carling cup, eh?
Please don't dismiss peoples opinions without thinking about it,no point debating with people who are not willing to listen to others peoples thoughts.
Any potential new manager should think very carefully about taking the job at LFC if he is going to be
turned on so quickly,sad reflection on supporters these days.
Well, like it or not, people are going to be judged based on their performances - whether they're the manager of Liverpool or fry chef at McDonalds. We were doing well enough at the end of last year, so Dalglish had our support. Things have gone badly south this year, and show no sign of abating, so his position has to be called into question. It's really not that difficult to understand, and I don't think it's necessarily symptomatic of modern supporters. People were calling for Sounness's head just as strongly as they're calling for Kenny's now. The only reason they weren't calling for Shankly's or Paisley's or Kenny's the first time around is because we were the best team in Britain back then.
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
It isn't sad if you look at it in economic terms. Carling Cup and FA Cup run, win or lose, will bring in about �2 million. Champions League, even just making the group stages and advancing no further, would bring in about �20 million. It's as simple as that. And you can bet that John Henry is looking at it the same way. He's a businessman, not a romantic. In modern football, domestic silverware is becoming less and less relevant.
I am a Liverpool football club supporter,not how much money can LFC generate for John Henry supporter.LFC are trying to get back to the top after being almost destroyed,there will be ups and downs along the way,until John Henry puts money into the club,it will be struggling to compete.
Ah, silly me. I thought this was a "How Much Money LFC can Generate for John Henry" forum. That's all I'm really interested in.
Seriously, are you having trouble understanding this argument? To compete in modern football, you need money. We're not going to get to where we need to be by winning some tin pot cup. We do that by doing well in the league. John Henry has put massive amounts of money into the club already, most of which Kenny and Comolli proceeded to p*ss up a wall. JH will need to provide more cash this summer, and I'm sure he will. Whether Kenny is the right man to spend that cash is another matter.
So,the solution is to sack a manager every season?,or is it to give a manager a chance for a couple of seasons with his own players and ideas?
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
It isn't sad if you look at it in economic terms. Carling Cup and FA Cup run, win or lose, will bring in about �2 million. Champions League, even just making the group stages and advancing no further, would bring in about �20 million. It's as simple as that. And you can bet that John Henry is looking at it the same way. He's a businessman, not a romantic. In modern football, domestic silverware is becoming less and less relevant.
I am a Liverpool football club supporter,not how much money can LFC generate for John Henry supporter.LFC are trying to get back to the top after being almost destroyed,there will be ups and downs along the way,until John Henry puts money into the club,it will be struggling to compete.
Ah, silly me. I thought this was a "How Much Money LFC can Generate for John Henry" forum. That's all I'm really interested in.
Seriously, are you having trouble understanding this argument? To compete in modern football, you need money. We're not going to get to where we need to be by winning some tin pot cup. We do that by doing well in the league. John Henry has put massive amounts of money into the club already, most of which Kenny and Comolli proceeded to p*ss up a wall. JH will need to provide more cash this summer, and I'm sure he will. Whether Kenny is the right man to spend that cash is another matter.
Just so you know,John Henry has not put massive money into LFC since they paid the initial price for the club,almost everything paid out has been recouped in player sales and wage cuts,a lot of talent has left the club in the past few seasons without being replaced,unless there is big money spent and wages which can compete with other clubs,then LFC will struggle to compete.
I'd be more than happy to give a manager a chance if I think he's deserving. But if, after more than a year in charge, we're worse off than the year before, then I'm not sure he's earned that chance.
I would be happy to put up with another season in 7th or so if I could see that we were moving forward. But the fact the majority of our players have gone backwards this season (Downing, Kuyt, Henderson, Gerrard, Reina, etc.) and the fact that our results have actually been getting worse (2nd bottom since January) does not have me very optimistic.
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Just so you know,John Henry has not put massive money into LFC since they paid the initial price for the club,almost everything paid out has been recouped in player sales and wage cuts,a lot of talent has left the club in the past few seasons without being replaced,unless there is big money spent and wages which can compete with other clubs,then LFC will struggle to compete. [/quote]
Ah yes, apart from that �300 million or so to wipe out our debt and save us from collapse, all he did was trim the massive amounts of fat and clear out the dead wood at the club and turned us into a profitable entity. Apart from that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?
So,he bought a club,he got a worldwide brand for his money,one which he can sell whenever he wants.Unless he is willing to move on the stadium issue and invest in the squad without recouping quickly,then the club will hover around the 4th to 8th position no matter who is in charge.
Apart from that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?
Keep your smart arse remarks to yourself,I am not interested in childish remarks.
So,the solution is to sack a manager every season?,or is it to give a manager a chance for a couple of seasons with his own players and ideas?
Don't be silly - no one would call for the head of a Liverpool manager doing well in the league.
So,the solution is to sack a manager every season?,or is it to give a manager a chance for a couple of seasons with his own players and ideas?
Don't be silly - no one would call for the head of a Liverpool manager doing well in the league.
Another ignorant comment,well done.
Spurs have a smaller stadium than us, so I don't think that is the only issue.
Newcastle and Arsenal have spent less money than us, so I don't think that is the only issue either.
I agree that JH should press on with the stadium, but I don't think throwing money around is necessarily the best policy. It's not just about spending a load of dosh. It's about buying smart. Newcastle, Arsenal, and Spurs have demonstrated that it is possible to compete without having a stadium that seats 60,000 or spending money like City. If we do spend a load of money, it should be spend on scouts, to make sure that we never buy players like Downing, Adam, Henderson, and Carroll ever again.
Sad that the first silverware the club has won since 2006 is dismissed so easily.
no one has or is dismissing the cups i for one is very happy that the club took the cups serious , but i wish liverpool and dalglish would have took the league seriously after the millions spent now we are spiraling towards relegation good job there is only 4 games left or liverpool would have been in bigger trouble than liverpool are now .
Benitez - OK CRAP - CL + FA
You must not have been paying attention during those years if you thing Benitez was at times "okay" and at times "crap". I can post the list of milestones the club achieved under his stewardship again if you need reminding. Let's just say "qualified for the CL 5 times out of 6" - because that immediately makes him a better manager than anyone all the way back to Paisley.
Benitez - OK CRAP - CL + FA
You must not have been paying attention during those years if you thing Benitez was at times "okay" and at times "crap". I can post the list of milestones the club achieved under his stewardship again if you need reminding. Let's just say "qualified for the CL 5 times out of 6" - because that immediately makes him a better manager than anyone all the way back to Paisley.
I agree and don't forget he took us to the final at Anthens and battered AC milan and the semi against chelsea
look benitez done well and then its went bad simple as that he spent millions of pounds and he left the club with a squad the club is still reeling from because dalglish felt he had to spend millions of sub-standard english players to replace the dross benitez left , too much has gone now liverpool might never recover and 1 or 2 cup wins wont change that , it is certain the cups results are a blip because the league form is the real liverpool �60 million pound strike force 12 league goals between them .
Lads around 18 months ago we where on verge of administration! Huge debts and hicks and Gillette in charge! We had a squad of poulsons ngogs to name a few! We have come along way in that time and a lot has changed! We may be havin a shocking season on league but I feel we are in good position to solve that with further summer investment ! Arsenal Chelsea need reinvest ! Newcastle over achieved and spurs most likely will lose Harry so it could be huge summer and not as gloomy as it looks now! I do think with Lucas back and looked of Adam Henderson etc now realising size of job it is to play for us they will improve ! Glass is not always half empty
Benitez - OK CRAP - CL + FA
You must not have been paying attention during those years if you thing Benitez was at times "okay" and at times "crap".
I can post the list of milestones the club achieved under his stewardship again if you need reminding. Let's just say "qualified for the CL 5 times out of 6" - because that immediately makes him a better manager than anyone all the way back to Paisley.
I think you should - it made for excellent reading. Do you have a list also which shows the records that we have broken this season? I know we've lost to clubs that haven't beaten us in decades, lost at home more than ever and had chronic losing streaks but some actual data would be very interesting...
Lads around 18 months ago we where on verge of administration! Huge debts and hicks and Gillette in charge! We had a squad of poulsons ngogs to name a few! We have come along way in that time and a lot has changed! We may be havin a shocking season on league but I feel we are in good position to solve that with further summer investment ! Arsenal Chelsea need reinvest ! Newcastle over achieved and spurs most likely will lose Harry so it could be huge summer and not as gloomy as it looks now! I do think with Lucas back and looked of Adam Henderson etc now realising size of job it is to play for us they will improve ! Glass is not always half empty
Unfortunately, people have very short memories, Gaz!
Benitez - OK CRAP - CL + FA
You must not have been paying attention during those years if you thing Benitez was at times "okay" and at times "crap".
I can post the list of milestones the club achieved under his stewardship again if you need reminding. Let's just say "qualified for the CL 5 times out of 6" - because that immediately makes him a better manager than anyone all the way back to Paisley.
I think you should - it made for excellent reading. Do you have a list also which shows the records that we have broken this season? I know we've lost to clubs that haven't beaten us in decades, lost at home more than ever and had chronic losing streaks but some actual data would be very interesting...
It did indeed make great reading. It's worth pointing out thought, that hardly any of, it any at all of the records were set in Rafa's first season or two in charge, were they? From memory the majority of them were set in 2007-2009
Another ignorant comment,well done.
We don't want that tone on here. Please knock it off
Everyone will have different views on how the club moves forward, my opinion is that we bought players who weren't and never will be good enough for Liverpool no matter how many chances they are given!
If you look at Man Utd, every player who hasn't fitted in has been gotten rid of very quickly, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Forlan and Veron to name a few! All these players cost good money but the difference is we persist where as Utd move on! These guys are professional footballers, I understand a bedding in period but in any line of work if you don't perform for a whole year you would be gone, simple!
If we plan to give Adam, Downing, Henderson and Carroll more starts to help them gel then expect us to come 8th because we aren't good enough to come any higher!
Another ignorant comment,well done.
We don't want that tone on here. Please knock it off
There's a hell of a lot of baiting going on on the forum at the moment, I think that needs to be monitored just as much as people responding to it, to be honest. It's getting a bit ridiculous at this stage.
Another ignorant comment,well done.
We don't want that tone on here. Please knock it off
So,a genuine question is asked and it gets dismissed out of hand,is that where we are at now?
It was your follow up response to me that was out of order, not your sarcastic question that I responded to. You must see that?
I have asked that question several times,never get an answer to it though,it wasn't sarcastic,that was you making assumptions again,your dismissal of it so readily was wholly ignorant.
I don't follow. All I said was that LFC fans would not call for the head of their manager (regardless of who he was) if he was doing well in the league. A lot of people wanted Roy out because he was doing poorly in the league. Same applies to Kenny. Whilst Rafa was flying high no one was calling for his head. Whilst Houllier was flying high no one was calling for his head. Whilst Evans was flying high no one was calling for his head.
That wasn't the question that was asked,you dismissed it because you either couldn't or didn't want to answer it.
It was the question that I responded to. Where are we going with this?
Whatever,I don't care,keep making sarcy comments if it makes you happy.
I'm going to draw a line under this because you're not making a lot of sense. We've either got our wires crossed or you are wasting our time.
Just seen on a site league table of goals from open play.Not pretty reading!!!
1) Manchester City - 56 goals
2) Manchester United - 55
3) Arsenal - 49
4) Tottenham - 43
5) Newcastle - 36
6) Chelsea - 36
7) Aston Villa - 28
8) Sunderland - 27
9) Fulham - 27
10) Norwich - 27
11) Everton - 25
12) QPR - 25
13) Swansea -25
14) Wolves - 21
15) West Brom - 21
16) Blackburn - 19
17) Bolton - 19
18) Liverpool - 19
19) Wigan - 17
20) Stoke - 11
The problem is Caroll, Adam and Henderson is not cheap.
And they being playing in EPL last season. I dont mind giving them time if they cost 5 million. Look at Cisse now..
Samba anyone??
Another ignorant comment,well done.
We don't want that tone on here. Please knock it off
There's a hell of a lot of baiting going on on the forum at the moment, I think that needs to be monitored just as much as people responding to it, to be honest. It's getting a bit ridiculous at this stage.
I have to agree here.
Certain posters have been stirring things up unchecked... when people get fed up and respond in exasperation they get warned. I just witnessed a good forum go down because the baiters and stirrers and doomsayers were allowed to take it over. The good posters ended up getting fed up and looking elsewhere for community... and the forum turned into a farce before completely dying out. I would hate to see that happen here....
Of course, you're 100% in all of this I presume? When you go around calling people 'baiters, stirrers & doomsayers' just because they have a different opinion to you then YOU are the one causing trouble. You need to show a bit more respect and not presume that viewpoints which don't match your own are intended as a windup.
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Of course, you're 100% in all of this I presume? When you go around calling people 'baiters, stirrers & doomsayers' just because they have a different opinion to you then YOU are the one causing trouble. You need to show a bit more respect and not presume that viewpoints which don't match your own are intended as a windup.
Hardly the one to lecture on respect mate... I shouldn't have to be constantly defending my club on a Liverpool message board. How many threads do we have to have bashing the club, owners and manager? Can't you see how it's become over the top? Even Growler's run off with his coconuts!
Can you lay off the constant bashing a bit... so posters like me won't feel the need to constantly defend? No. If something isn't right I'll say so. I'm surprised you can type so well with your head buried so far into the sand. You 'may' be more patient than I'll ever be, but to me that shows you don't care too much about the club - where's your passion!?. You think that 'waiting' is the solution.....
Hardly the one to lecture on respect mate... I shouldn't have to be constantly defending my club on a Liverpool message board. How many threads do we have to have bashing the club, owners and manager? Can't you see how it's become over the top? Even Growler's run off with his coconuts! Can you lay off the constant bashing a bit... so posters like me won't feel the need to constantly defend?
No. If something isn't right I'll say so. I'm surprised you can type so well with your head buried so far into the sand. You 'may' be more patient than I'll ever be, but to me that shows you don't care too much about the club - where's your passion!?. You think that 'waiting' is the solution.....
CarheeX, KP, will you two PLEASE stop bickering!! You're carrying out an argument in 3 or 4 threads simultaneously!! It's been going on like this for weeks now. For me, you both care about the club, and have very different ways of showing it. We're all fans of the club though, can we just put this pettiness to bed?? I'm getting very dizzy reading between these different threads!!
Can we have our own thread?
Kop Prophet just so you know my position Kenny should resign with his head high end of this season NOT NOW. Hope that helps a fraction.
CarheeX, KP, will you two PLEASE stop bickering!! You're carrying out an argument in 3 or 4 threads simultaneously!! It's been going on like this for weeks now. For me, you both care about the club, and have very different ways of showing it. We're all fans of the club though, can we just put this pettiness to bed?? I'm getting very dizzy reading between these different threads!!
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Please take a look at my piece on most under-rated players. Let me know what you think please fellow Reds!
http://footballspeak.com/post/2012/04/23/Premier-League-Under-Rated-XI.aspx.We need to sign Ben Arfa!
Hardly the one to lecture on respect mate... I shouldn't have to be constantly defending my club on a Liverpool message board. How many threads do we have to have bashing the club, owners and manager? Can't you see how it's become over the top? Even Growler's run off with his coconuts! Can you lay off the constant bashing a bit... so posters like me won't feel the need to constantly defend?
No. If something isn't right I'll say so. I'm surprised you can type so well with your head buried so far into the sand. You 'may' be more patient than I'll ever be, but to me that shows you don't care too much about the club - where's your passion!?. You think that 'waiting' is the solution.....
CarheeX, KP, will you two PLEASE stop bickering!! You're carrying out an argument in 3 or 4 threads simultaneously!! It's been going on like this for weeks now. For me, you both care about the club, and have very different ways of showing it. We're all fans of the club though, can we just put this pettiness to bed?? I'm getting very dizzy reading between these different threads!!
Silly me... I just found the Need for New Moderators thread, which I somehow had missed. I now understand the impetus for this corrective. Good luck!
Are you for real, pal?? Not a day goes by that I don't comment on the pathetic pickering that's going on on this forum. I agree with you on many points, KP, but this isn't even about those points anymore. Yourself and CarheeX are pursuing vendettas against each other and it's becoming personal. I was reading the forum earlier and for about half an hour ALL it consisted of was new posts on 3 or 4 threads and ALL of the comments in those were you two taking digs back and forward at each other. I wasn't taking a dig at you and I wasn't taking sides, because frankly, as I said, it's clearly hardly even about football now. You don't diffuse a situation by taking sides. You just need to cut out the pettiness, lads.
[quote=TheKopProphet][quote=BarLennon][quote=CarheeX][quote=TheKopProphet]
Are you for real, pal?? Not a day goes by that I don't comment on the pathetic pickering that's going on on this forum. I agree with you on many points, KP, but this isn't even about those points anymore. Yourself and CarheeX are pursuing vendettas against each other and it's becoming personal. I was reading the forum earlier and for about half an hour ALL it consisted of was new posts on 3 or 4 threads and ALL of the comments in those were you two taking digs back and forward at each other. I wasn't taking a dig at you and I wasn't taking sides, because frankly, as I said, it's clearly hardly even about football now. You don't diffuse a situation by taking sides. You just need to cut out the pettiness, lads.
I think I tried to make some genuine points to Carheex... similar to points that I have seen you trying to get across at times. Still, you are auditioning well.... although the 'pal' bit is a tad grating.
I'm not saying you weren't, but how long has it been going on arguing the SAME points?? Do you expect him to just say "oh actually, y'know what, I never thought of it that way" and change his mind one day? I have no time for people disrespecting the manager, especially when the insults get personal, but I gave up trying to convince people that he's the right man weeks ago - mainly because I'm not too sure myself. As for the bitchy comments at the end of that post... well, I'll just leave you to that, cos I've even less time for that sort of sh*te.
Well me using the term 'pal' wasn't intended to be sarcastic or demeaning, I assure you. I wasn't "practicing" anything - you've jumped to that conclusion by yourself. There are at least 3 or 4 users that are more suitable candidates to be a moderator on here than me.
The last 3 pages on this thread have nothin to do wit actually topic!
Lol, true! That tends to happen - on almost every thread! I still say it beats the original topic of this thread though :P
It's getting very repetitive on here and boring round here looking forward to LFC start wining again apart from the obious so all the nonsense round here stops and we can talk about football again:)
There are at least 3 or 4 users that are more suitable candidates to be a moderator on here than me.
Have to agree with you on this point
There are at least 3 or 4 users that are more suitable candidates to be a moderator on here than me.
Have to agree with you on this point
Don't be an assshole. He's probably one of the most levelheaded posters here.
There are at least 3 or 4 users that are more suitable candidates to be a moderator on here than me.
Have to agree with you on this point
hahaha you knew he'd come in on that one Bar....
I actually didn't - a little bit catty, that comment, but what are ya gonna do
Dont be worrying too much Bar.
Heggy was Dalglish's greatest fan in February and he was going to support him no matter what.
I think the word is FICKLE
I am agreeing with what you youself said Barlennon.
I have listed my choices of who I think is suitable to be a mod.
To be honest these past few days I have seen a different side to you and your arguments are much more balanced IMO
So I stand corrected.
I was not being catty and apologize if it came across that way.
KP no need to use me to try and find favour in Bar lennon's eyes mate.
He has put you in your place over some of your comments recently because they were not sensible.
we have all been there in the past.
learn from it and move on.
I did
I am agreeing with what you youself said Barlennon.
I have listed my choices of who I think is suitable to be a mod.
To be honest these past few days I have seen a different side to you and your arguments are much more balanced IMO
So I stand corrected.
I was not being catty and apologize if it came across that way.
KP no need to use me to try and find favour in Bar lennon's eyes mate.
He has put you in your place over some of your comments recently because they were not sensible.
we have all been there in the past.
learn from it and move on.
I did
I put KP "in his place"? Ehhh, what? I haven't put anybody "in their place" and certainly not KP. I assume you mean the fact that I asked KP and CarheeX to stop bickering when they were carrying out the same argument in 3 or 4 different threads simulataneously for half an hour? That's all it was. Just because KP chose to take unkindly to it and took offence, doesn't mean it me "putting him in his place". What a load of rubbish.
Dont be worrying too much Bar.
Heggy was Dalglish's greatest fan in February and he was going to support him no matter what.
I think the word is FICKLE
Unfortunately, Shag Dog, some fans are a hell of a lot more fickle than others, and just say what they think will impress others. The word "transparent" comes to mind too!
Yeah Bar I know what you mean.
Usual suspects, usual cr*p
I think there are people on here trying to be deliberately devisive, I dont know if they are trolls or just disillusioned fans but they are flooding the site with negativity.
If you support the team and want them to actually win games at the minute you are some kind of simple minded idiot.
Sure the league season has been awful but why should we feel guilty for looking forward to a Cup Final?
It's mad on here at the minute.
I am agreeing with what you youself said Barlennon.
I have listed my choices of who I think is suitable to be a mod.
To be honest these past few days I have seen a different side to you and your arguments are much more balanced IMO
So I stand corrected.
Your condescending attacks followed immediately by an apology
are getting old, maybe you should count to 10 before you hit submit..
I was not being catty and apologize if it came across that way.
KP no need to use me to try and find favour in Bar lennon's eyes mate.
He has put you in your place over some of your comments recently because they were not sensible.
we have all been there in the past.
learn from it and move on.
I did
Dont be worrying too much Bar.
Heggy was Dalglish's greatest fan in February and he was going to support him no matter what.
I think the word is FICKLE
Unfortunately, Shag Dog, some fans are a hell of a lot more fickle than others, and just say what they think will impress others. The word "transparent" comes to mind too!
People ARE allowed to change their opinions though. It wasn't long ago that there was only a few of us who could see where ken was taking the club - the rest of the forum was blinded by the 'glamour' of the league cup. Since then there has been a huge turnaround - it doesn't make people fickle if they have seen the light. If they 'keep' changing their minds that's a different matter....
Yeah Bar I know what you mean.
Usual suspects, usual cr*p
I think there are people on here trying to be deliberately devisive, I dont know if they are trolls or just disillusioned fans but they are flooding the site with negativity.
If you support the team and want them to actually win games at the minute you are some kind of simple minded idiot.
Sure the league season has been awful but why should we feel guilty for looking forward to a Cup Final?
It's mad on here at the minute.
I don't think they're trolls at all. I think it is disillusionment. Not that anyone can be blamed for being disillusioned at the moment. I think we all are, we just respond to it in different ways. Some people just want to look everywhere for someone or something to blame - usually the first possible explanation they can find without thinking it through properly.
We have a Cup Final coming up, and I'm certainly looking forward to it too, SD! The day that becomes a sin is the day I lose faith in my fellow fans!
Dont be worrying too much Bar.
Heggy was Dalglish's greatest fan in February and he was going to support him no matter what.
I think the word is FICKLE
Unfortunately, Shag Dog, some fans are a hell of a lot more fickle than others, and just say what they think will impress others. The word "transparent" comes to mind too!
People ARE allowed to change their opinions though. It wasn't long ago that there was only a few of us who could see where ken was taking the club - the rest of the forum was blinded by the 'glamour' of the league cup. Since then there has been a huge turnaround - it doesn't make people fickle if they have seen the light. If they 'keep' changing their minds that's a different matter....
Absolutely correct - everyone's allowed change their minds. I've changed my own mind over the course of the season - it hasn't been knee-jerk, but gradual, based on undisputable events. I'm f*cked if I pretend I was always of the opinion I am now and completely act like a child about it. Also, being early to condemn someone who ultimately turns out to not reach the heights many had hoped, is not something to be proud of or brag about.
If a family member or close friend is having a hard time with something, you don't turn against them - you support them. If they continue to make the same mistakes,
then it's time to pull them aside and have a word with them about it for their own good. That's a thing called 'loyalty' and it isn't the result of being blind, but just of being decent. Maybe that isn't for everyone though, I dunno.
Another prophet leading the rest of us blind faithers to the promised land.
Of course people are allowed to change their minds. Its when they turn into raging zealots that the trouble starts.
Substitute blind faith for trying to support our team through a difficult period, regardless of who the manager might be.
Also we must be the only fans on the planet that are laughed at by fellow Liverpool fans for celebrating a Cup victory.
As for people being fickle: It most definitely makes people fickle if they proclaim undying support for Dalglish and then call for his head a month later.
If someone has the same stance all along then that is fine, those who abandon what they see as a sinking ship are most definitely fickle.
As for those who are hoping we lose games:
Shame on them whoever they are or whatever the reason.
This is a fans forum and we all rant on here now and then but at the end of the day we all claim to be Liverpool fans.
There are plenty on here that would be utterly ashamed if they bothered to read over some of the stuff they have posted.
fickle, lacking loyalty, man of no class whatever.
no need for all the insults but I can understand them being given to me.
Enjoy the weekend to all of you still
your opinion so no harm done
well i am back on the forum after having to move for work
I see the results are as iffy as ever and the forum is at war lol
well i am back on the forum after having to move for work
I see the results are as iffy as ever and the forum is at war lol
Nothing's changed so, eh?
agreed
Personally i cannot wait till the season to end bar the fa cup final i just don't care anymore
the league don't mean anything and the results reflect this
crappy season and I look forward to all the changes the new season will bring.
i totally agree changes do need to be made and that's blindly obvious to everyone at the club
well not to everyone on this forum it seems
well nobody can honestly say they would keep the same after this season
i know you have to have faith but too much is as dangerous as too little
I have no idea but they would be plainly wrong
Don't bother biting, deakin. Waste of time.
biting for who am i missing something
I mean i do see a clear out of some players but who is anyone's guess
This topic is doing my head in,I will support the club in which ever way I see fit,and if any two bit [oops] disagrees with me,they can shove a hot poker up their jacksie pipe.
This topic is doing my head in,I will support the club in which ever way I see fit,and if any two bit [oops] disagrees with me,they can shove a hot poker up their jacksie pipe.
whats a jacksie pipe?