12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP

Posted by: Pickles

12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 09:59 AM

Clubs will write to Premier League demanding action over Manchester City financial fair play

By Connor Dunn - 8 MAR 2019

At least 12 top-flight teams are planning to ask what league bosses are planning to do over alleged breaches of financial fair play by Guardiola's side.

At least 12 Premier League clubs are planning to ask what action league bosses are going to take over alleged breaches of financial fair play by Manchester City.

The Times report that this is 'an unprecedented move' and that teams are intending to call on the Premier League to outline its position over the accusations surrounding the club's finances.

The newspaper say they understand that a majority of clubs are already on board with the proposal and more were being asked to sign up last night.

The news comes after UEFA opened an investigation into Manchester City over alleged violations of Financial Fair Play.

A statement from European football's governing body read: "The Investigatory Chamber of the independent UEFA Club Financial Control Body has today opened a formal investigation into Manchester City FC for potential breaches of Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations.

"The investigation will focus on several alleged violations of FFP that were recently made public in various media outlets.

"UEFA will make no further comments on the matter while the investigation is ongoing."

City were previously found to have breached FFP rules by UEFA in 2014.

It resulted in Pep Guardiola's side paying a £49million fine, £32million of which was suspended, and going into the 2014-15 Champions League campaign with a reduced squad.

The FA are also looking into claims City made a banned £200,000 payment to the agent of Jadon Sancho when the Borussia Dortmund winger was just 14.

UEFA's investigation comes after a series of claims published in German newspaper Der Spiegel based on leaked documents surrounding the alleged FFP breaches.

The body say they will make no further comment while the investigation is ongoing.

In response, City say they welcome the investigation to as a chance to clear their name.

A statement read: "Manchester City welcomes the opening of a formal UEFA investigation as an opportunity to bring to an end the speculation resulting from the illegal hacking and out of context publication of City emails.

"The accusation of financial irregularities are entirely false. The Club’s published accounts are full and complete and a matter of legal and regulatory record."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/fo...anding-15941261
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 10:09 AM

I would eat my hat if anything comes of this. FFP is a farce.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 10:14 AM

The evidence is fairly damning coming from Man City's own emails!
You can't really take printed words out of context...a telephone conversation or a tapped, recorded conversation a pitbull lawyer maybe able to manipulate the context as it's in the spare of the moment and not given thought. An email like a written letter, it's author takes the time to assemble the words to give concise meaning.

2nd time around also for City and the allegations are far, far worse!

It should see them get hefty fines, and banned from competitions, although retrospective action should also be on the table. There's no doubt they've benefited from stacking the decks!
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 10:50 AM

Without doubt they’ve stacked the deck. But the authorities are going up against a country and have hardly been known for cracking down on FFP. I hope they do something as it needs to be upheld or what’s the point to it?
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 05:45 PM

The investigation will take a long time, these are hacked documents, so there are all sorts of legal issues using them I guess, City will hire the best lawyers to tie Fifa up, City will just go in heavy in the transfer window incase they get a ban like Chelsea did.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
The investigation will take a long time, these are hacked documents, so there are all sorts of legal issues using them I guess, City will hire the best lawyers to tie Fifa up, City will just go in heavy in the transfer window incase they get a ban like Chelsea did.



If anything they'll get a fine, maybe a transfer ban, do they really need more players. In any case it's would be the UEFA that would take action not FA.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 08:14 PM

Whatever Uefa do is passed down to the country FA to enforce also, will be interesting to see how they handle City, as they have already had a massive £50 million fine, so they would have to act if they are found guilty.

I read the other day City were looking to spend £300-400 million on 3 or 4 top players, probably just paper talk, but I think they will strengthen, they missed out on Jorginho (lucky them), they were also after De Jong who has gone to Barca, I think they want someone to control the MF, who also can cover De Bruyne, they maybe after a LB with Mendy's injuries.

The top teams always re-enforce, it's the only way to stay top and keep the team competitive.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 08:39 PM

FIFA, UEFA, The Premier League and The FA have all got separate investigations going on, into Man City's nefarious ways.

City can't exactly say to the Authorities..."Sorry Old Chap, but there was a crime committed in order to uncover our many illegal activities, so it should be null and void...nothing to see here"!

There is no way Man City escape this without severe punishment...they've done everything except bung referees..although who knows after Sterlings' 1st goal today?
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 08:48 PM

The 12 Premier League Clubs are effectively tellingThe Premier League to put a block on ALL Man City Transfer activity until a full and thorough investigation is conducted and concluded. I'm certain we are one of those 12 clubs because it rankles with John Henry and Tom Werner that they purchased us at a time it was promised FFP was going to level the playing field.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 09:37 PM

Originally Posted By Pickles
FIFA, UEFA, The Premier League and The FA have all got separate investigations going on, into Man City's nefarious ways.

City can't exactly say to the Authorities..."Sorry Old Chap, but there was a crime committed in order to uncover our many illegal activities, so it should be null and void...nothing to see here"!

There is no way Man City escape this without severe punishment...they've done everything except bung referees..although who knows after Sterlings' 1st goal today?



City have the resources to delay the process to suit them if required, by dragging lawyers into it, evidence gathered by illegal means becomes inadmissible, they will be very wary of City's power.

Why do you think City got a big fine (£49 million) last time, but Uefa started FFP by saying anyone who breaks the rules will be banned from Uefa competitions? City weren't banned, Uefa can't afford to ban the top clubs, they need them to attract TV & Sponsorship, only small clubs have been banned so far (Rubin Kazan, FK Varda & Kevsji Sofia).
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 09:40 PM

Originally Posted By Pickles
The 12 Premier League Clubs are effectively tellingThe Premier League to put a block on ALL Man City Transfer activity until a full and thorough investigation is conducted and concluded. I'm certain we are one of those 12 clubs because it rankles with John Henry and Tom Werner that they purchased us at a time it was promised FFP was going to level the playing field.



Yeah, I'm sure FSG want FFP enforced as you say, with our World Wide following and marketing potential, FSG thought would be one of the big players in Europe again if the likes of Man City & Chelsea cannot spend like they had been.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 11:04 PM

City are not a BIG club, they're certainly smaller in fanbase than Chelsea who've just had their ban upheld for a much lesser charge by FIFA!

As this rumbles on more and more PL Clubs will be onboard with the 12 clubs...we could see clubs overseas also getting involved voicing their concerns to UEFA and FIFA.
Posted by: chesterville

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 11:16 PM

The whole process of loaning-out players should be banned in my opinion. That would go a long way to solving this problem.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 11:35 PM

Originally Posted By Pickles
City are not a BIG club, they're certainly smaller in fanbase than Chelsea who've just had their ban upheld for a much lesser charge by FIFA!

As this rumbles on more and more PL Clubs will be onboard with the 12 clubs...we could see clubs overseas also getting involved voicing their concerns to UEFA and FIFA.



Of course City are a big club, they have probably the best squad ever created in the PL and resources to build more, they have won lots of trophies recently, they have a hardcore fan base going back along time when they were not successful.

I live in Manchester and know a few Man City supporters, they support their team in good times and bad, when they were in division 3 and playing at Maine road.

They do not have the world wide fan base we have, but every year that grows as they win more trophies and bring the top players in from all over the world, similar to how Chelsea grew in the last 15 years. I travel quite abit and you see City shirts all over the world now, 10 years ago you hardly saw any outside Manchester.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 09/03/19 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By chesterville
The whole process of loaning-out players should be banned in my opinion. That would go a long way to solving this problem.


The money in football is so big now, paying an agent or family a couple of £100,000's is nothing to guarantee bringing in the best players, look at Sancho, they sold him for about £8 million to Dortmund as he wanted to go, now they are talking £100 million! Chelsea have a whole industry flipping players.

We were banned from signing academy players a few years ago after we tapped up a kid from Stokes youth academy, we were lucky not to get a full transfer ban, allot of clubs are doing similar I bet.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 10/03/19 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By Pickles
City are not a BIG club, they're certainly smaller in fanbase than Chelsea who've just had their ban upheld for a much lesser charge by FIFA!

As this rumbles on more and more PL Clubs will be onboard with the 12 clubs...we could see clubs overseas also getting involved voicing their concerns to UEFA and FIFA.



Of course City are a big club, they have probably the best squad ever created in the PL and resources to build more, they have won lots of trophies recently, they have a hardcore fan base going back along time when they were not successful.

I live in Manchester and know a few Man City supporters, they support their team in good times and bad, when they were in division 3 and playing at Maine road.

They do not have the world wide fan base we have, but every year that grows as they win more trophies and bring the top players in from all over the world, similar to how Chelsea grew in the last 15 years. I travel quite abit and you see City shirts all over the world now, 10 years ago you hardly saw any outside Manchester.


You are right, Chelsea sell more shirt than us now and City will get there soon while we keep on building
Posted by: WNP

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 10/03/19 07:22 AM

A 10 point deduction would be a nice way to punish them!
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 10/03/19 02:11 PM

Originally Posted By WNP
A 10 point deduction would be a nice way to punish them!


If we win the PL, I would prefer we do it on the patch, if City were docked points it wouldn't feel like we earned it.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 10/03/19 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By WNP
A 10 point deduction would be a nice way to punish them!


If we win the PL, I would prefer we do it on the patch, if City were docked points it wouldn't feel like we earned it.


I don't know What they did exactly, but if it helped them winning the league then I would have no qualms about them getting points deducted.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 10/03/19 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By WNP
A 10 point deduction would be a nice way to punish them!


If we win the PL, I would prefer we do it on the patch, if City were docked points it wouldn't feel like we earned it.


I don't know What they did exactly, but if it helped them winning the league then I would have no qualms about them getting points deducted.


Yeah, I guess so, I think the main headline I have seen is that their sponsorship deals were artificially inflated deals and Sheikh Mansour owned companies sponsoring City and buying image the rites.

The funny thing is all the details are in emails that were hacked, explaining it all:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal...s-a4087061.html

so it's not like they can say its hearsay or misunderstandings.

No doubt La Liga will be wading in with their opinions, as they have been hugely critical of Man City and feel threatened.


Posted by: TrueRed

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 13/03/19 06:03 PM

What needs addressing is that have a net spend of over half a billion over the last 5 years (pre Neymar).

https://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier...st-five-seasons
Posted by: Vicdamone

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 15/03/19 08:10 AM

Some wild rumors that Pep has a verbal agreement in place with Juve. If this ban is enforced, will be actually leave?
Posted by: redordead13

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 15/03/19 03:22 PM

looks like a two-window transfer ban looming.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 15/03/19 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By redordead13
looks like a two-window transfer ban looming.


They don't need anymore players !!!

The FFP investigation will be more interesting, as they could be banned from CL etc.
Posted by: redordead13

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 15/03/19 08:14 PM

Yeah they do. Fernandinho is ageing, and they don't have a replacement. Aguero getting up there as well. Mendy is made of glass also. Yeah, they have some great midfielders and great attackers, but things go stale if you don't recruit.

Floodgates are open if it starts. Pep could leave if they get transfer banned, and if they get removed from Europe, they will have a hard time. Players will want out. Things begin to fall apart at the seams.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 15/03/19 08:36 PM

Players won’t want out. Where else could they get £300k a week?
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 16/03/19 05:59 AM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By redordead13
looks like a two-window transfer ban looming.


They don't need anymore players !!!

The FFP investigation will be more interesting, as they could be banned from CL etc.



To stay on top any team needs improving with new players, so unless they have good youngsters to join in the first team, a transfer ban will have its effect.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 16/03/19 07:44 AM

4 Footballing Bodies are running separate investigations of the claims = 4 separate punishments.

The 2 window transfer ban (like Chelsea are currently under) is the one most likely to come first and will probably be in place before they can start dealing this summer = FIFA punishment for payments to kids, namely the Jadon Sancho payment.

TBH these leaked documents are a minefield to sift through, there could be a lot more on Man City's nefarious ways. Almost 2 million documents on a host of different entities in Football...
Wikileaks about Football.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 16/03/19 07:55 AM

I've not seen it mentioned but the BIG one concerning City not involved yet could be HMRC. Depending on the severity, some City suits could be seeing jail time!
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 16/03/19 09:25 AM

I think that nothing much will come of any of this. City’s owners will just line the pockets of fifa, uefa and the fa.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 16/03/19 11:53 AM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By redordead13
looks like a two-window transfer ban looming.


They don't need anymore players !!!

The FFP investigation will be more interesting, as they could be banned from CL etc.



To stay on top any team needs improving with new players, so unless they have good youngsters to join in the first team, a transfer ban will have its effect.



It will have an effect, because City are always trying to buy the best players and become better to win all they can.

A 2 window transfer ban is a year basically, City have by far the strongest squad in the PL, their squad none starters would probably get a top 4 place, with players like Mahrez/Stones/Silva etc, they need to replace some key players like Kompany & Fernandino, but they have more than enough now to cover them.

They also have an impressive youth team setup, so far players like Sancho have had to leave as they could not break through into the first team, he's now valued at £100 million! players like Foden, Diaz & Nmecha may get get games, in an odd way it could be good for City.

If they get a significant competition ban, say from Uefa competitions for 5 years, that would impact them, as the top players want to join clubs who will compete in the CL, some top players like Aguero/De Bruyne may want to leave to play in CL, but who else would/could afford their wages and City do not have to sell, they can leave any player they want to rot in their reserves ro prove a point, look at the money Yaya Toure was on and how he was frozen out.

City will fight any bans, they have the means to tangle Uefa etc in court for years, especially with how this evidence has been acquired, with hacking and theft reported, so will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 04:24 PM

Whilst we potentially rue what could have been this season, we do potentially have something to look forward to when the first of these regulatory authorities decide what to do with Man City.

Every grey cloud has a silver lining and hopefully we get to go to battle next season with some exciting additions whilst the likes of Man City and Chelsea have to make do with what they already have...maybe in Chelsea's case without Hazard?
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 04:33 PM

I predict they’ll do nothing with City due to a few quite large brown envelopes.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 05:06 PM

FIFA, UEFA, The Premier League and The FA have all got separate investigations going on into Man City. Then you have a band of at least 12 Premier League Clubs all banging the drum about their unfair practices, I cannot see how this ends well for City otherwise there'll be a mutiny. At the very least a transfer embargo should be in place until investigations have been concluded similar to Chelsea whose actions pale against what City are accused of.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 05:16 PM

That’ll be 16 envelopes then grin

They should be done if they’ve broken the rules but we’ve all seen that those rules are rarely upheld for the money clubs.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 05:25 PM

The most they will get is a transfer ban, they have so many players that will not really affect them, they also have this as a heads up, so they can buy now in preparation..... Chelsea never really got this heads up ...... odd that ......
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
That’ll be 16 envelopes then grin

They should be done if they’ve broken the rules but we’ve all seen that those rules are rarely upheld for the money clubs.


16?
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 06:46 PM

Yes. Four for the bodies and twelve to get the other teams to keep quiet. Simple maths really.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Yes. Four for the bodies and twelve to get the other teams to keep quiet. Simple maths really.


Why only 12?
Posted by: SSO

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Yes. Four for the bodies and twelve to get the other teams to keep quiet. Simple maths really.


Why only 12?


Perhaps City already sent 7 out to the other teams in the PL.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 03/05/19 07:44 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Yes. Four for the bodies and twelve to get the other teams to keep quiet. Simple maths really.


Why only 12?


Read the op or what pickles posted above and get back to me with the answer.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 03:31 AM

The objective of FFP is to protect clubs from going into bankruptcy, it has never been to have some kind of a level playing field which a lot of people assume. The gist of it is that you can only spend what you have, but that favours the clubs with the bigger fan base, so that's not fair neither as it means a club with a small fan base will never be able to climb the ladder. This is why it ends up in transfer bans as this forces the clubs not to spend. If they really want to be fair then they need to have capped budgets.
Posted by: van Gogh

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 08:56 AM

What has bankruptcy to do with Fair Play?

Of course it's about a level playing field - hence the name Fifa Fair Play.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 10:24 AM

Originally Posted By van Gogh
What has bankruptcy to do with Fair Play?

Of course it's about a level playing field - hence the name Fifa Fair Play.



FFP:The UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations(FFP) were established to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success and in doing so getting into financial problems which might threaten their long-term survival.[1] They were agreed to in principle in September 2009 by the Financial Control Panel of football's governing body in Europe (Union of European Football Associations – UEFA).

Do some research if you don't know, it's so easy on internet
Posted by: SSO

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 01:41 PM

FFP is also to stop teams ploughing their own money into the club where other clubs cannot afford to do so.

A good way of maintaining income is having a full ground every game. City sell out but we all call it the Emptyhad. If there are always 55000 fans there the gate receipts will always be the same. If there are only 50000 the gate receipts will be lower. In step the owners with the claim that 55000 tickets were sold hence the gate receipts are the same. The owners propping up ticket sales is the same as them putting in extra money that has not been properly sourced from legitimate streams.

Look at City v us.
Gate receipts? Probably the same.
Shirt sales? We sell half a million more per year at £50 a pop.
Player sales? Do City sell players?
Tv revenue? Ours is usually higher.
Players bought? City spend more.
Players wages? How many City players +£200k a week? 6 or 7 ?

When they get caught they should be RELEGATED!
Posted by: Flames

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By SSO
FFP is also to stop teams ploughing their own money into the club where other clubs cannot afford to do so.

A good way of maintaining income is having a full ground every game. City sell out but we all call it the Emptyhad. If there are always 55000 fans there the gate receipts will always be the same. If there are only 50000 the gate receipts will be lower. In step the owners with the claim that 55000 tickets were sold hence the gate receipts are the same. The owners propping up ticket sales is the same as them putting in extra money that has not been properly sourced from legitimate streams.

Look at City v us.
Gate receipts? Probably the same.
Shirt sales? We sell half a million more per year at £50 a pop.
Player sales? Do City sell players?
Tv revenue? Ours is usually higher.
Players bought? City spend more.
Players wages? How many City players +£200k a week? 6 or 7 ?

When they get caught they should be RELEGATED!


The Emptyhad laugh
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 04:17 PM

FFP is to avoid teams nearly going out of business by overspending with what they have not got, like Leeds & Portsmouth.

The problem is that it tends to lead to a cartel, where the big clubs stay big and the small clubs stay small and cannot close the gap as they are restricted on getting a benefactor, like an Abramovich. That's one of the reasons FSG bought us, they saw FFP levelling the playing field with teams like Chelsea not allowed to overspend, with our fan base they saw an opportunity to improve our commercial operations and improve us, which they have.

The problem is City have been backed by a country in effect, with unlimited funds, it's going to be interesting to see how they are
dealt with.
Posted by: SSO

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
FFP is to avoid teams nearly going out of business by overspending with what they have not got, like Leeds & Portsmouth.

The problem is that it tends to lead to a cartel, where the big clubs stay big and the small clubs stay small and cannot close the gap as they are restricted on getting a benefactor, like an Abramovich. That's one of the reasons FSG bought us, they saw FFP levelling the playing field with teams like Chelsea not allowed to overspend, with our fan base they saw an opportunity to improve our commercial operations and improve us, which they have.

The problem is City have been backed by a country in effect, with unlimited funds, it's going to be interesting to see how they are
dealt with.


But it has failed on both counts. City can spend what they want and at the other end Bolton cannot pay its staff or fulfil its fixtures.

Same punishment for both clubs, send them both to League 2.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By SSO
FFP is also to stop teams ploughing their own money into the club where other clubs cannot afford to do so.

A good way of maintaining income is having a full ground every game. City sell out but we all call it the Emptyhad. If there are always 55000 fans there the gate receipts will always be the same. If there are only 50000 the gate receipts will be lower. In step the owners with the claim that 55000 tickets were sold hence the gate receipts are the same. The owners propping up ticket sales is the same as them putting in extra money that has not been properly sourced from legitimate streams.

Look at City v us.
Gate receipts? Probably the same.
Shirt sales? We sell half a million more per year at £50 a pop.
Player sales? Do City sell players?
Tv revenue? Ours is usually higher.
Players bought? City spend more.
Players wages? How many City players +£200k a week? 6 or 7 ?

When they get caught they should be RELEGATED!


They have much better sponsorship deals though a lot of them are from the UAE, this is what is being investigated.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
FFP is to avoid teams nearly going out of business by overspending with what they have not got, like Leeds & Portsmouth.

The problem is that it tends to lead to a cartel, where the big clubs stay big and the small clubs stay small and cannot close the gap as they are restricted on getting a benefactor, like an Abramovich. That's one of the reasons FSG bought us, they saw FFP levelling the playing field with teams like Chelsea not allowed to overspend, with our fan base they saw an opportunity to improve our commercial operations and improve us, which they have.

The problem is City have been backed by a country in effect, with unlimited funds, it's going to be interesting to see how they are
dealt with.


The problem is FFP was never implemented as they expected or wished, if it was United, Liverpool, Arsenal and probably Chelsea would have had a big advantage over others.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 06:49 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
FFP is to avoid teams nearly going out of business by overspending with what they have not got, like Leeds & Portsmouth.

The problem is that it tends to lead to a cartel, where the big clubs stay big and the small clubs stay small and cannot close the gap as they are restricted on getting a benefactor, like an Abramovich. That's one of the reasons FSG bought us, they saw FFP levelling the playing field with teams like Chelsea not allowed to overspend, with our fan base they saw an opportunity to improve our commercial operations and improve us, which they have.

The problem is City have been backed by a country in effect, with unlimited funds, it's going to be interesting to see how they are
dealt with.


The problem is FFP was never implemented as they expected or wished, if it was United, Liverpool, Arsenal and probably Chelsea would have had a big advantage over others.


Yep, it was never implemented as they expected, Uefa have never shown real punishment/deterrent, there was talk of relegation/bans from European competitions etc, the biggest penalties given have been transfer bans, which the clubs usually appeal and gives them time to do their business.

Equally, as you say, if it would have been implemented, the advantage would have been too big for the existing 'Cartel' making the PL boring with the big 4 staying big and dominating CL qualification and that income, someone like Abramovich was needed to shake it up abit.
Posted by: SSO

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By SSO
FFP is also to stop teams ploughing their own money into the club where other clubs cannot afford to do so.

A good way of maintaining income is having a full ground every game. City sell out but we all call it the Emptyhad. If there are always 55000 fans there the gate receipts will always be the same. If there are only 50000 the gate receipts will be lower. In step the owners with the claim that 55000 tickets were sold hence the gate receipts are the same. The owners propping up ticket sales is the same as them putting in extra money that has not been properly sourced from legitimate streams.

Look at City v us.
Gate receipts? Probably the same.
Shirt sales? We sell half a million more per year at £50 a pop.
Player sales? Do City sell players?
Tv revenue? Ours is usually higher.
Players bought? City spend more.
Players wages? How many City players +£200k a week? 6 or 7 ?

When they get caught they should be RELEGATED!


They have much better sponsorship deals though a lot of them are from the UAE, this is what is being investigated.


You've tumbled them Tired!!
Posted by: Pickles

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 04/05/19 09:27 PM

You could say the same about the Spanish sides who get subsidized by their Government. I think the nefarious way City do it is via their owners sponsoring themselves...they try to hide it via various Family Members Companies. The Saudi's have not been the flavor of the month for a awhile worldwide after the incident in The Embassy. If the footballing authorities suddenly become anti-partizan towards their nefarious ways the Arabs will drop the likes of City & PSG like lead balloons.
The Spanish will also have their whinge behind the scenes, nudging the various authorities to act.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP - 05/05/19 04:54 AM

Originally Posted By Pickles
You could say the same about the Spanish sides who get subsidized by their Government. I think the nefarious way City do it is via their owners sponsoring themselves...they try to hide it via various Family Members Companies. The Saudi's have not been the flavor of the month for a awhile worldwide after the incident in The Embassy. If the footballing authorities suddenly become anti-partizan towards their nefarious ways the Arabs will drop the likes of City & PSG like lead balloons.
The Spanish will also have their whinge behind the scenes, nudging the various authorities to act.



Seriously, I don't know what you are talking about. The Arabs haven't invested in football only and the West needs investment to maintain their lifestyle