Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk

Posted by: Dunk

Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 09:54 AM

I know Pep Guardiola has said he’ll prioritise a full-back and a defensive midfielder in the summer.

But if I was him the first person I’d be targeting is Virgil van Dijk.

I’d offer John Stones and Nicolas Otamendi plus £150million for the Dutchman and I wouldn’t stop until Liverpool accepted my offer was simply too good to turn down.

I know Jurgen Klopp has a long-term contract at Anfield and that, if Liverpool don’t win the Premier League, they will finish probably finish second and won’t want to be selling their best players.

Especially not to their rivals.

But Van Dijk is one of those incredibly gifted athletes and would make any defence on Planet Earth significantly better.
And if City want to become the dominant force they say they want to, then going all out for him would be a no-brainer.

Van Dijk reads the game better than any other defender in the Premier League and is a bit old-school in that respect.

I’d put him in the Rio Ferdinand bracket when it comes to his reading of situations — he sees the danger, acknowledges the danger and has the physicality and athleticism to be able to deal with it.

Some players can read the game but don’t have the pace and some have the pace but not the instinct.

He has the lot and on top of that he exudes a calmness that rubs off on the rest of his side’s back four.

I see in Van Dijk someone who is unflustered and will go on, either with Liverpool or another club, to win many, many titles.

And by the time he hangs up his boots, we could be talking about him in the same venerable tones as Sergio Ramos if he gets the chance to win as many titles either at Liverpool or elsewhere.

As an ex-striker who used to love testing himself against the best defenders, I don’t half enjoy watching him play and trying to work out what I’d be doing to try to get the better of him.

Getting him into wide positions as often as possible would be my first thought because he reads the situations very well when you’re around the edge of the penalty box and trying to find space to turn.
He’s very good at snuffing the danger out then walking away with the ball, and that can become very dispiriting.

So you drop a little bit deeper, take him wider and into positions he’s less comfortable being in, even if only slightly.

Mind you, it might not make too much difference because he could play full-back quite easily.

But you’d still try to create gaps for others to run into.

I go back to Celtic fans saying, ‘This guy is the real deal, he’s a Rolls-Royce’, because having watched Henrik Larsson in recent seasons, they know what players of that calibre look like.

Van Dijk has to be worth at least £175m of anybody’s money and, while it’s easy to throw around statements such as ‘best in the world’, I really believe he is.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-city-should-go-out-14086379

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Thoughts?
Posted by: Dunk

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 10:19 AM

John Aldridge says Stan Collymore's article urging Manchester City to bid for Virgil van Dijk is "poor journalism from an ex LFC player".
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 10:35 AM

Originally Posted By Dunk
I know Pep Guardiola has said he’ll prioritise a full-back and a defensive midfielder in the summer.

But if I was him the first person I’d be targeting is Virgil van Dijk.

I’d offer John Stones and Nicolas Otamendi plus £150million for the Dutchman and I wouldn’t stop until Liverpool accepted my offer was simply too good to turn down.

I know Jurgen Klopp has a long-term contract at Anfield and that, if Liverpool don’t win the Premier League, they will finish probably finish second and won’t want to be selling their best players.

Especially not to their rivals.

But Van Dijk is one of those incredibly gifted athletes and would make any defence on Planet Earth significantly better.
And if City want to become the dominant force they say they want to, then going all out for him would be a no-brainer.

Van Dijk reads the game better than any other defender in the Premier League and is a bit old-school in that respect.

I’d put him in the Rio Ferdinand bracket when it comes to his reading of situations — he sees the danger, acknowledges the danger and has the physicality and athleticism to be able to deal with it.

Some players can read the game but don’t have the pace and some have the pace but not the instinct.

He has the lot and on top of that he exudes a calmness that rubs off on the rest of his side’s back four.

I see in Van Dijk someone who is unflustered and will go on, either with Liverpool or another club, to win many, many titles.

And by the time he hangs up his boots, we could be talking about him in the same venerable tones as Sergio Ramos if he gets the chance to win as many titles either at Liverpool or elsewhere.

As an ex-striker who used to love testing himself against the best defenders, I don’t half enjoy watching him play and trying to work out what I’d be doing to try to get the better of him.

Getting him into wide positions as often as possible would be my first thought because he reads the situations very well when you’re around the edge of the penalty box and trying to find space to turn.
He’s very good at snuffing the danger out then walking away with the ball, and that can become very dispiriting.

So you drop a little bit deeper, take him wider and into positions he’s less comfortable being in, even if only slightly.

Mind you, it might not make too much difference because he could play full-back quite easily.

But you’d still try to create gaps for others to run into.

I go back to Celtic fans saying, ‘This guy is the real deal, he’s a Rolls-Royce’, because having watched Henrik Larsson in recent seasons, they know what players of that calibre look like.

Van Dijk has to be worth at least £175m of anybody’s money and, while it’s easy to throw around statements such as ‘best in the world’, I really believe he is.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-city-should-go-out-14086379

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Thoughts?


If I was Pep, this is what I would do, but can't see the club selling him as long as he doesn't force the exit himself. If we don't win trophies soon and he feels he has the opportunity elsewhere, he would try to move. However, I think he will give us until summer 2020 to win something of importance, like the league or CL. Big players want to win things and if they have better options, they will move as most of us looking to improve our careers. We've seen this a number of times.
Posted by: Hercules/AF 58

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 10:52 AM

Stan Collymore, never did know his Arse from his elbow, and was always too lazy to find out. He should know that City already tried to sign VvD, but he turned them down in favour of us. Collymore I'd just attention seeking, and making himself look foolish.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 11:38 AM

He said it was madness paying £75m for him and now he’s worth £150m and two players? Fukking clown.
Posted by: elimmel

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 11:51 AM

“we could be talking about him in the same venerable tones as Sergio Ramos”
Good grief.... venerable?!
Posted by: Snakeye

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 01:42 PM

Probably the last player in the squad I'd sell no matter how high the offer is. He is not going anywhere anytime soon, he just got here and will hopefully spend his prime years at Liverpool.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By Snakeye
Probably the last player in the squad I'd sell no matter how high the offer is. He is not going anywhere anytime soon, he just got here and will hopefully spend his prime years at Liverpool.


Yep, the club would not wish to sell, however, VVD might wish to move if he doesn't win titles as both Suarez and Coutinho did. He is not a boyhood fan as Gerrard, so if he thinks he can have a better career elsewhere, I think he will move.
Posted by: TrueRed

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 03:52 PM

I'd stop following football if we sold VVD to Cithe.... simple as.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 04:47 PM

Time to put a 500m release clause in his contract.

Him and Alisson, I'd have huge problems with accepting them leaving the club any time soon and I think a lot of fans would feel the same.

For FSG to even contemplate selling would be a huge smack in the face to the fans, it would also open the door for every other top player we have to move on.

Collymore does like to controversially wind Liverpool and it's fans up from time to time, to help him be relevant.

How's Ulrika Jonsson these days? if the #mettoo movement was around earlier Collymore would have never got the chance to say this tosh!

Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By Pickles
Time to put a 500m release clause in his contract.

Him and Alisson, I'd have huge problems with accepting them leaving the club any time soon and I think a lot of fans would feel the same.

For FSG to even contemplate selling would be a huge smack in the face to the fans, it would also open the door for every other top player we have to move on.

Collymore does like to controversially wind Liverpool and it's fans up from time to time, to help him be relevant.

How's Ulrika Jonsson these days? if the #mettoo movement was around earlier Collymore would have never got the chance to say this tosh!



I don't think the club will dare selling VVD, but if he wants to leave, he will.
Posted by: Flames

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds


If I was Pep, this is what I would do, but can't see the club selling him as long as he doesn't force the exit himself. If we don't win trophies soon and he feels he has the opportunity elsewhere, he would try to move. However, I think he will give us until summer 2020 to win something of importance, like the league or CL. Big players want to win things and if they have better options, they will move as most of us looking to improve our careers. We've seen this a number of times.


perfect sense.
Posted by: Flames

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 05:12 PM

I'd move if we don't win something. If you are a top tier player you move away from the moneyball format because you're better than it. Liverpool have become somewhat of a feeder club as a result of this system. It only benefits the owners and the players that progress. For the lallana's of this world, its the only hope of a major title. For fans its like dressing for the ball in a thrift shop. fun at first, but after a while....
Posted by: Hercules/AF 58

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 05/03/19 06:01 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Salah starts creating a few waves in the near to medium future, that smile looks a bit forced of late. van Dyke and Alisson booth seem well grounded individuals, but yes no doubt ' winning things' is important, if we want to keep our best.
Posted by: TrueRed

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 06/03/19 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By Flames
I'd move if we don't win something. If you are a top tier player you move away from the moneyball format because you're better than it. Liverpool have become somewhat of a feeder club as a result of this system. It only benefits the owners and the players that progress. For the lallana's of this world, its the only hope of a major title. For fans its like dressing for the ball in a thrift shop. fun at first, but after a while....


So true, as any Southampton fan would testify.
Posted by: Andred

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 05:36 AM

Cheers for that Stan, poke the hornets nest why don't ya. I think VVD has a bit more class than that, but you need t win things to keep yer best players.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 05:50 PM

VvD chose Liverpool over City when City had won and were going to win loads, he fancied the challenge of the under dog and Klopp's plan, abit like when Shearer went to Blackburn rather than Utd, so I don't see him wanting to leave a for a while, whatever we do/not won.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
VvD chose Liverpool over City when City had won and were going to win loads, he fancied the challenge of the under dog and Klopp's plan, abit like when Shearer went to Blackburn rather than Utd, so I don't see him wanting to leave a for a while, whatever we do/not won.


Did City bid for him, or we paid the asking price before they did so?
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
VvD chose Liverpool over City when City had won and were going to win loads, he fancied the challenge of the under dog and Klopp's plan, abit like when Shearer went to Blackburn rather than Utd, so I don't see him wanting to leave a for a while, whatever we do/not won.


Did City bid for him, or we paid the asking price before they did so?


The way reporters spoke of it at the time, Liverpool, City & Chelsea wanted him, but he chose Liverpool, so no other bids were made, if he would have chosen Chelsea or City, they would have bid and got him, it was a release clause really, but only we bid as he made it clear he wanted to join Liverpool, so City said he was overpriced etc to make them look better.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 06:32 PM

If he wanted to go anywhere else he would’ve done it after Southampton spat their dummy. The fact he didn’t and no one tried speaks volumes of what he wanted.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 07:27 PM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
If he wanted to go anywhere else he would’ve done it after Southampton spat their dummy. The fact he didn’t and no one tried speaks volumes of what he wanted.


Maybe it's because he was tapped as Klopp spoke and convinced him not really according to the rules. Anyway, we paid the asking price even before the window opened, others were thinking he was too expensive. I think City's most expensive player is De Bruyne for 55m, so going to 75m for 1 player might have given them second thoughts.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
If he wanted to go anywhere else he would’ve done it after Southampton spat their dummy. The fact he didn’t and no one tried speaks volumes of what he wanted.


Maybe it's because he was tapped as Klopp spoke and convinced him not really according to the rules. Anyway, we paid the asking price even before the window opened, others were thinking he was too expensive. I think City's most expensive player is De Bruyne for 55m, so going to 75m for 1 player might have given them second thoughts.


I think Mahrez is their most expensive player now at £65 million.

I have no doubt if VvD wanted to join City, they would have paid the £75 million we paid.

At the end of the day, he's been a great buy, he has made us a much better team and if we sold him tomorrow, I expect he would break the transfer record and easily double our money.

No doubt, we did tap him up, as much as the top clubs tap up the top players.
Posted by: van Gogh

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 09/03/19 09:36 PM

Yes we saw a few weeks back both Mané and Keïta trying to tap up Timo Werner, so it's more or less common practice these days!
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 10/03/19 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
If he wanted to go anywhere else he would’ve done it after Southampton spat their dummy. The fact he didn’t and no one tried speaks volumes of what he wanted.


Maybe it's because he was tapped as Klopp spoke and convinced him not really according to the rules. Anyway, we paid the asking price even before the window opened, others were thinking he was too expensive. I think City's most expensive player is De Bruyne for 55m, so going to 75m for 1 player might have given them second thoughts.


I think Mahrez is their most expensive player now at £65 million.

I have no doubt if VvD wanted to join City, they would have paid the £75 million we paid.

At the end of the day, he's been a great buy, he has made us a much better team and if we sold him tomorrow, I expect he would break the transfer record and easily double our money.

No doubt, we did tap him up, as much as the top clubs tap up the top players.


I think everybody was surprised how good VVD has proved to be. Spending that much on a defender is not common practice.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: Collymore urges Man City to bid for Virgil van Dijk - 10/03/19 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
If he wanted to go anywhere else he would’ve done it after Southampton spat their dummy. The fact he didn’t and no one tried speaks volumes of what he wanted.


Maybe it's because he was tapped as Klopp spoke and convinced him not really according to the rules. Anyway, we paid the asking price even before the window opened, others were thinking he was too expensive. I think City's most expensive player is De Bruyne for 55m, so going to 75m for 1 player might have given them second thoughts.


I think Mahrez is their most expensive player now at £65 million.

I have no doubt if VvD wanted to join City, they would have paid the £75 million we paid.

At the end of the day, he's been a great buy, he has made us a much better team and if we sold him tomorrow, I expect he would break the transfer record and easily double our money.

No doubt, we did tap him up, as much as the top clubs tap up the top players.


I think everybody was surprised how good VVD has proved to be. Spending that much on a defender is not common practice.


You can see why Klopp was so adamant he wanted him and wouldn't settle for alternatives, he is much better than I expected and has transformed our defence.