FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern?

Posted by: Dunk

FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 18/10/18 01:07 PM

Salah - Firmino - Mane

by Naveen Vinod

Im never a fan of international breaks as the weekends are boring without any proper football. But if you were to ask Jrgen Klopp what he thought about this one, my hunch would be that he wanted that break, especially for the front three.

Im not sure whether Im jumping the gun with my views or whether you all see the same thing. There is a certain lack of goals from them compared to last season but more worryingly, whether they are playing together as a team is more of a concern for me.


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Posted by: Pickles

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 18/10/18 01:23 PM

No not yet, Klopp and the team are evolving.

Our recent past was not successful, changes had to be made and so far we are right in the mix. We won't know until after Christmas where we truly are, however it's exciting to see us being talked up so highly by all in world football. The distraction of our front three's form from last season is immaterial at the moment, it's just something to get further excited about when they do start clicking. I mentioned this at the start of the season that we will demolish somebody sooner or later and not just a 6 nil, I'm talking about a double digit win in the PL to rewrite PL history. I believe once the likes of Keita and our front 3 are embedded and clicking together some team/s will be getting roasted by us.

Posted by: Hercules/AF 58

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 18/10/18 01:54 PM

Well there's no doubt they're not firing on all cylinders so far this season. However they've not been getting the service from midfield as they were last season. Also the midfielders aren't pushing up near as much as they were last season, so the necessary support isn't there at the moment. It seems as if Klopp has been playing a more defensive style, especially in that recent run of tough fixtures. Maybe we'll see them pushing up more in the upcoming run of easier fixtures. I hope we do as we need to attack the opening goal difference with City, it could well come down to that if we can keep pace with them
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 18/10/18 01:58 PM

It is a bit yes
Posted by: Vicdamone

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 19/10/18 06:13 AM

If you compare some of the stats of last season, it shouldn't,.... but it does concern me.
Posted by: EMP

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 19/10/18 09:39 AM

we need lalanna to come back fit as he was before.. need someone from midfield to create space ,burst onto the defense .
Posted by: Vicdamone

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 19/10/18 09:48 AM

All i know is we have to take advantage of any slip ups in tomorrows games between the top 6, only Arsenal not playing this weekend.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 20/10/18 05:42 AM

A must win game this one
Posted by: SSO

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 20/10/18 01:19 PM

Originally Posted By EMP
we need lalanna to come back fit as he was before.. need someone from midfield to create space ,burst onto the defense .


Missing Ox and although Shaqiri could unlock certain teams I am not sure he would be the answer.
Midfield of Henderson, Wijnaldum and Milner is a solid option and one which is helping deliver clean sheets at one end. The front 3 should all still fire but not necessarily all of them in every game as it seemed last season.
Team is being set up to win games 1-0 if necessary.
Posted by: Hercules/AF 58

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 20/10/18 11:21 PM

I doubt if the form we displayed today against Huddersfield, would prevail against Arsenal in the all too near future. A performance like today's will see them taking points off us. So yes our form up front and to an extent in midfield is now a definite concern, despite the fact we've been getting away with it so far this season and all the more so in that the dip in form is steadily going in the wrong direction. We were performing better in our first couple or three games of the season. Klopp needs to get a handle on this before it starts to cost us.
Posted by: redordead13

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 25/10/18 09:16 PM

2017-18 after 13 games (all comps). Salah scored 6, Bobby 4 & Mane 3

2018-19: Salah has scored 6 again, Mane 5 & Bobby 4 again
Posted by: chesterville

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 26/10/18 10:57 AM

For me, Mane is perplexing. He has good pace and skill and can "stab" in some goals. He also has many brain "farts" and makes awful positional and passing decisions and his shooting from more than a few yards is also weak.

Some players have great football "brains". He does not appear to have this.
Posted by: Hercules/AF 58

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 26/10/18 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By chesterville
For me, Mane is perplexing. He has good pace and skill and can "stab" in some goals. He also has many brain "farts" and makes awful positional and passing decisions and his shooting from more than a few yards is also weak.

Some players have great football "brains". He does not appear to have this.

Yeah perplexing to a point in so far as end product for a forward player is concerned, however he's a grafter and does keep defenders busy, and that in itself is very useful. It could be argued that his best position is on the right and maybe that's part of what's preventing him from realising his full potential. Anyway I'd rather have him than not have him. I always feel he's about to bang in a hat trick, so maybe it's coming?
Posted by: Pictonclock

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 27/10/18 03:34 PM

hence change of tobertson for moreno and llalana in today...
lack of goals is due to the team being better defensivly.
moreno will always make huge mistakes. llalana is finished now..

even if lfc win today it is a mistake by klop to play moreno and llalana.
Posted by: redordead13

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 28/10/18 12:09 AM

Originally Posted By Pictonclock
hence change of tobertson for moreno and llalana in today...
lack of goals is due to the team being better defensivly.
moreno will always make huge mistakes. llalana is finished now..

even if lfc win today it is a mistake by klop to play moreno and llalana.


What does Lallana have to do with our defensive performance? He's been often called one of our best midfield pressers.
Posted by: Pictonclock

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 28/10/18 09:10 AM

Llalana had a brief spell were he was very good..but dipped,injuries taken toll.
Along with moreno,clyne,henderson..llalana is part of a group of lfc players that have done nothing in their time at lfc.Time the new players were given their chance.Reverting or relying on these past it players will ultimatly deliver nothing just like it has been doing.
Vvd must stay as captain.
Posted by: redordead13

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 28/10/18 01:28 PM

Originally Posted By Pictonclock
Llalana had a brief spell were he was very good..but dipped,injuries taken toll.
Along with moreno,clyne,henderson..llalana is part of a group of lfc players that have done nothing in their time at lfc.Time the new players were given their chance.Reverting or relying on these past it players will ultimatly deliver nothing just like it has been doing.
Vvd must stay as captain.


Maybe if you're playing FIFA you can get away with just playing the strongest 11 every week, but if you want to win the premier league, you need a squad that can allow for rotation. We won. Lighten up.

Moreno isn't good enough to start, but as a backup, I don't mind him. Henderson is a solid player. He won't be captain forever, but if he was really so bad, Klopp would have kicked him to the curb long ago, the way he has with Sakho, Benteke, Balotelli, etc. Unspectacular, but a good leader, a good passer, an athlete, and a hard worker. Lallana is one of our few creative midfielders, and he understands the system well. He created chances yesterday.
Posted by: Pictonclock

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 28/10/18 07:51 PM

looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.
Posted by: SSO

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 28/10/18 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


Can't see him playing ahead of Robertson v Arsenal next week.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 28/10/18 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By SSO
Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


Can't see him playing ahead of Robertson v Arsenal next week.


Lets hope not !
Posted by: redordead13

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 29/10/18 12:09 PM

Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.
Posted by: chesterville

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 30/10/18 06:49 AM

Lallana is weak and is easily brushed aside. i.e. "light-weight".
Posted by: redordead13

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 30/10/18 03:19 PM

I know what the phrase refers to, thanks. But it is a superficial criticism that speaks to a poor understanding of the game, and a reminder of why English players have so constantly lagged behind the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians, the Dutch, Brazilians, and Argentines. You want all your midfielders to look like Roy Keane, when Modric or Iniesta would have him on toast.

Lallana has a great touch, can beat a man, pass well, create, and score goals. Before his injury he was a very important player for us. Will he be the same after it? Maybe not, but dismiss him as lightweight, as though that has been what was holding him back is asinine.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 30/10/18 10:09 PM

Lallana has never been the fastest runner, but has always been excellent on the ball and has really good touch, with his ability he can control the pace of the game and would be useful to bring on to keep the ball and close down a game.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 31/10/18 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By redordead13
I know what the phrase refers to, thanks. But it is a superficial criticism that speaks to a poor understanding of the game, and a reminder of why English players have so constantly lagged behind the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians, the Dutch, Brazilians, and Argentines. You want all your midfielders to look like Roy Keane, when Modric or Iniesta would have him on toast.

Lallana has a great touch, can beat a man, pass well, create, and score goals. Before his injury he was a very important player for us. Will he be the same after it? Maybe not, but dismiss him as lightweight, as though that has been what was holding him back is asinine.


Lallana has had one very good season with us and he is nowhere near that so far, injuries do take their toll I suppose. No better than being on the bench these days, Shaqiri and Keita offer more than him
Posted by: Pictonclock

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 31/10/18 05:30 AM

Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.


That is laughable...you actually compare llalana to messi iniesta coutinho etc..
Klop IS making a mistake if he starts reintroducing moreno and llalana to the team on a regular basis...he persisted with karius and that was klopps fault as much as it was karius fault the way it turned out.
Same with moreno..he has literaly cost lfc 2 finals and is in the same bracket as karius.
Llalana was the most subbed player every season at southampton(fact) for a reason.
He has fleetingly shown good form but more often has not done so.
Lfc now are at a more advanced level in terms of kicking on..or so it seems..reverting to players that stagnate the team is/will be folly from klop...clyne moreno llalana henderson...all had their day at lfc and are players that belong in past tense if lfc are to kick on totally.Yes llalana and henderson are now squad players at best...if first team regulars though then forget any silverware arriving at lfc.
Posted by: chesterville

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 31/10/18 06:11 AM

Wow. My feelings exactly. Well said indeed. This improved team lineup is getting up to speed. Why drop back to second gear?
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 31/10/18 08:23 AM

Originally Posted By Pictonclock
Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.


That is laughable...you actually compare llalana to messi iniesta coutinho etc..
Klop IS making a mistake if he starts reintroducing moreno and llalana to the team on a regular basis...he persisted with karius and that was klopps fault as much as it was karius fault the way it turned out.
Same with moreno..he has literaly cost lfc 2 finals and is in the same bracket as karius.
Llalana was the most subbed player every season at southampton(fact) for a reason.
He has fleetingly shown good form but more often has not done so.
Lfc now are at a more advanced level in terms of kicking on..or so it seems..reverting to players that stagnate the team is/will be folly from klop...clyne moreno llalana henderson...all had their day at lfc and are players that belong in past tense if lfc are to kick on totally.Yes llalana and henderson are now squad players at best...if first team regulars though then forget any silverware arriving at lfc.


Klopp played Moreno and Lallana in one game against probably the worst team in the league, which we won easily by the way. Not sure what makes you think hes reintroducing them? Well be back to our usual on the weekend.
Posted by: redordead13

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 31/10/18 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By Pictonclock
Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.


That is laughable...you actually compare llalana to messi iniesta coutinho etc..
Klop IS making a mistake if he starts reintroducing moreno and llalana to the team on a regular basis...he persisted with karius and that was klopps fault as much as it was karius fault the way it turned out.
Same with moreno..he has literaly cost lfc 2 finals and is in the same bracket as karius.
Llalana was the most subbed player every season at southampton(fact) for a reason.
He has fleetingly shown good form but more often has not done so.
Lfc now are at a more advanced level in terms of kicking on..or so it seems..reverting to players that stagnate the team is/will be folly from klop...clyne moreno llalana henderson...all had their day at lfc and are players that belong in past tense if lfc are to kick on totally.Yes llalana and henderson are now squad players at best...if first team regulars though then forget any silverware arriving at lfc.


No I didn't compare him to those players. I said he was a squad player who could be useful in rotation or off the bench, but I said calling players lightweight was meaningless. Those are all small players and are obviously still good. So if you are going to criticize a player, have an actual thought to say, not a throwaway cliche. And read next time.
Posted by: chesterville

Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? - 01/11/18 06:09 AM

Good to see Mane knock in a couple of goals. The lad is really good, but he some way to go to become a legend. I want to see him meaner and fired up,