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BLM creates more division between races than it solves problems. It's gotten to a stage where people are falsifying attacks from "white nationalists", for example, Jussie Smollet, or are in constant fear that everyone is out to get them, for example, the case with Bubba Wallace, who thought a piece of rope was a "noose".

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Originally Posted By klopp4kop
BLM is an organisation. Anyone who says otherwise has not done any research. They have actively said that they want to defund the police, dismantle capitalism and destroy the nuclear family. Without the police, capitalism and a nuclear family, black people will suffer in the US.


So who is the leader/s of this worldwide organisation, where is their manifesto etc. So all these people marching in a number of cities want to dismantle capitalism, complete nonsense

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Originally Posted By klopp4kop
BLM creates more division between races than it solves problems. It's gotten to a stage where people are falsifying attacks from "white nationalists", for example, Jussie Smollet, or are in constant fear that everyone is out to get them, for example, the case with Bubba Wallace, who thought a piece of rope was a "noose".


So what should be the answer to all these police murders of black people in the US? Players taking the knee want to dismantle capitalism and the police?

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Originally Posted By klopp4kop
BLM creates more division between races than it solves problems. It's gotten to a stage where people are falsifying attacks from "white nationalists", for example, Jussie Smollet, or are in constant fear that everyone is out to get them, for example, the case with Bubba Wallace, who thought a piece of rope was a "noose".


So what should be the answer to all these police murders of black people in the US? Players taking the knee want to dismantle capitalism and the police?


Firstly far more white people are killed by the US police even relative to population it's a problem with the police not race. What to do about it ? Vote in a government that addresses the problem. Also here's an idea if you commit a crime don't resist arrest that's the safest and best way to avoid harm better still don't commit a crime. But all these are problems of the USA


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Black Lives Matter rhetoric doesn’t match facts on police violence

By Hiram Reisner / InsideSources
Posted Jun 10, 2020

Does America have a “racist cop” problem?

It’s easy to believe so when watching the disturbing videos of the deaths of George Floyd, Eric Garner and Tamir Rice at the hands of the police. But do horrific, high-profile cases like these accurately reflect the treatment of black Americans by the police?

Many observers say no.

Since 2015, The Washington Post has maintained a comprehensive database of fatal police shootings. The Post database shows that fatal shootings by police have run steadily at around 1,000 per year since 2015: 995 (2015); 963 (2016); 987 (2017); 998 (2018); and 1,004 (2019).

About twice as many white people as black people are killed by police. “In fact, in about 75 percent of police shootings, the decedent is not black,” says Andrew McCarthy, a columnist with the National Review.

“This pandemic of civil violence is more widespread than anything seen during the Black Lives Matter movement of the Obama years, and it will likely have an even deadlier toll on law enforcement officers than the targeted assassinations we saw from 2014 onward,” McCarthy wrote. “It’s worse this time because the country has absorbed another five years of academically inspired racial victimology.”

While the current national narrative is that black Americans are, as some Black Lives Matter advocates claim, being “targeted” by police, Rafael Mangual, deputy director of legal policy at the Manhattan Institute, says that view is backward.

“It is certainly fair to say that police have had a target on their backs for some time,” he told InsideSources.

“I believe the number is that police officers are eighteen and a half times more likely to be killed by black males than unarmed black males are to be killed by police officers,” he said. “And studies have shown that the odds of a black man being killed in police custody are about one in 1,000.

“And I think that the people holding the microscope — the special interests pushing for criminal justice reform — have found success in casting nuance and context aside to make police out to be this violent cog in a racially oppressive criminal justice system and I think it’s really problematic,” Mangual said.

According to The Washington Post database, there were nine cases in the U.S. last year in which unarmed African Americans were fatally shot by police. Meanwhile, 48 police officers were murdered in 2019 in felonious assaults, according to FBI data.

The Post also notes that the number of citizens killed by police has remained steady despite changing circumstances.

“Even amid the coronavirus pandemic and orders that kept millions at home for weeks, police shot and killed 463 people through the first week of June — 49 more than the same period in 2019,” the Post reports. “In May, police shot and killed 110 people, the most in any one month since The Post began tracking such incidents.”

But critics say the Post and other media outlets promoting the “racist cops” narrative are misreading the numbers. For example, it’s frequently reported that 23 percent of those shot and killed by police are black, but black Americans only make up 13 percent of the population.

However, it’s also true that, as Heather Mac Donald reports, African Americans make up 53 percent of known homicide offenders and commit about 60 percent of robberies.

MacDonald, a Manhattan Institute scholar and author of the book “War on Cops,” writes in the Wall Street Journal: “However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.”

Other studies, however, indicate biases remain.

For example, a Stanford University analysis of 100 million traffic stops conducted across the country found that black drivers were less likely to be stopped after sunset. Because police can’t identify the race of the drivers after dark, researchers say this data suggests bias in their decisions about who to stop. Their research also found the bar for searching black and Hispanic drivers was lower than that for searching white drivers.

Still, Mac Donald argues, saying that police practices can be improved and reformed doesn’t legitimize violence — either on the streets or targeting cops.

“Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots,” she said. “Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. Floyd’s death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.”

– Hiram Reisner is Policy Editor for InsideSources.

https://www.houmatoday.com/opinion/20200...police-violence


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By klopp4kop
BLM creates more division between races than it solves problems. It's gotten to a stage where people are falsifying attacks from "white nationalists", for example, Jussie Smollet, or are in constant fear that everyone is out to get them, for example, the case with Bubba Wallace, who thought a piece of rope was a "noose".


So what should be the answer to all these police murders of black people in the US? Players taking the knee want to dismantle capitalism and the police?


Firstly far more white people are killed by the US police even relative to population it's a problem with the police not race. What to do about it ? Vote in a government that addresses the problem. Also here's an idea if you commit a crime don't resist arrest that's the safest and best way to avoid harm better still don't commit a crime. But all these are problems of the USA


This is a society problem in the main, a larger proportion of black people are generally killed, that's because allot of black kids grow up in areas which are ghettoised by crime/drugs/unemployment, so they only see crime as a way out to get money as they cannot be supported through school/college, often these are in dysfunctional households with few role models, where parents (mainly dads) are locked up in prison, sometimes for long periods of time for crazy laws like 3 strikes and out and you get 30 years, until this cycle is broken, there will be no solution.

Also, I'm not defending the police on recent murders like George, but when a cop approaches someone in the US, they have no idea if they are armed or not, so I can understand why they can be trigger happy, as they don't get a second chance, unlike UK where anyone armed is a serious criminal, mom's dropping kids off at school can have guns, which is crazy, look at them nutters the other day on their lawn pointing assault rifles at people marching in ST Louis, it's crazy.

I work in US a few weeks a year and holiday often with my family, we are always told if stopped by police, do not get out the car, do not go into glove compartment for paper work, do not put hands into clothes for ID etc, keeps hands on the wheel so visible or you maybe shot !!!! they need to control/remove guns, it is too easy to be armed in the US.

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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By klopp4kop
BLM creates more division between races than it solves problems. It's gotten to a stage where people are falsifying attacks from "white nationalists", for example, Jussie Smollet, or are in constant fear that everyone is out to get them, for example, the case with Bubba Wallace, who thought a piece of rope was a "noose".


So what should be the answer to all these police murders of black people in the US? Players taking the knee want to dismantle capitalism and the police?


Firstly far more white people are killed by the US police even relative to population it's a problem with the police not race. What to do about it ? Vote in a government that addresses the problem. Also here's an idea if you commit a crime don't resist arrest that's the safest and best way to avoid harm better still don't commit a crime. But all these are problems of the USA


This is a society problem in the main, a larger proportion of black people are generally killed, that's because allot of black kids grow up in areas which are ghettoised by crime/drugs/unemployment, so they only see crime as a way out to get money as they cannot be supported through school/college, often these are in dysfunctional households with few role models, where parents (mainly dads) are locked up in prison, sometimes for long periods of time for crazy laws like 3 strikes and out and you get 30 years, until this cycle is broken, there will be no solution.

Also, I'm not defending the police on recent murders like George, but when a cop approaches someone in the US, they have no idea if they are armed or not, so I can understand why they can be trigger happy, as they don't get a second chance, unlike UK where anyone armed is a serious criminal, mom's dropping kids off at school can have guns, which is crazy, look at them nutters the other day on their lawn pointing assault rifles at people marching in ST Louis, it's crazy.

I work in US a few weeks a year and holiday often with my family, we are always told if stopped by police, do not get out the car, do not go into glove compartment for paper work, do not put hands into clothes for ID etc, keeps hands on the wheel so visible or you maybe shot !!!! they need to control/remove guns, it is too easy to be armed in the US.



But who dont want to get rid of guns?

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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98


This is a society problem in the main, a larger proportion of black people are generally killed, that's because allot of black kids grow up in areas which are ghettoised by crime/drugs/unemployment, so they only see crime as a way out to get money as they cannot be supported through school/college, often these are in dysfunctional households with few role models, where parents (mainly dads) are locked up in prison, sometimes for long periods of time for crazy laws like 3 strikes and out and you get 30 years, until this cycle is broken, there will be no solution.

Also, I'm not defending the police on recent murders like George, but when a cop approaches someone in the US, they have no idea if they are armed or not, so I can understand why they can be trigger happy, as they don't get a second chance, unlike UK where anyone armed is a serious criminal, mom's dropping kids off at school can have guns, which is crazy, look at them nutters the other day on their lawn pointing assault rifles at people marching in ST Louis, it's crazy.

I work in US a few weeks a year and holiday often with my family, we are always told if stopped by police, do not get out the car, do not go into glove compartment for paper work, do not put hands into clothes for ID etc, keeps hands on the wheel so visible or you maybe shot !!!! they need to control/remove guns, it is too easy to be armed in the US.



But who dont want to get rid of guns?


NRA who fund politicians/senators and the second amendment for 'Right to keep and bear arms', allot of Americans think the government is going to come and take them overnight, so they have the right to have 10 guns each to defend themselves??? I never understood it and have argued it with a few US work colleagues, but never got a real understanding of it.

You'd think after all the school shootings/massacres they would remove the guns and crack down on ownership, Obama tried when he was President and he could not achieve it, so I do not know who could? also, the guns are already out there owned by the people so no idea how you take them from the Billy Bob hicks out there.....

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BLM Is a gift to the real racists and the premier league have screwed up big time promoting an undisciplined anarchist organisation that wants to destroy capitalism. It also gives the right wing licence to say black lives matter more than white lives. Not true of course but that does not matter. What matters is the emotion and this nonsense has put race relations back 40 years.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
BLM Is a gift to the real racists and the premier league have screwed up big time promoting an undisciplined anarchist organisation that wants to destroy capitalism. It also gives the right wing licence to say black lives matter more than white lives. Not true of course but that does not matter. What matters is the emotion and this nonsense has put race relations back 40 years.


The whole western world has done that, not only the EPL, and only white supremacists can be against this movement as they think, black people are getting too much attention, pathetic

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