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#631398 - 10/02/20 11:21 AM Re: Coronavirus - Harvard epidemiolgist "Virus is thermonuclear" [Re: Pickles]
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Keep these very informative posts going pickles don't listen to Vish. I regard them as my prime source of information and rely on them as many do on this forum
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#631399 - 10/02/20 05:23 PM Re: Coronavirus - Harvard epidemiolgist "Virus is thermonuclear" [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
Tell you what Vish, don't read them and you won't get your knickers in a twist then!



Do you really think I read all that crap, just couldn't understand why you post all those unchecked rumours, you want to panic everybody, what's the point?

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#631402 - 10/02/20 08:07 PM Re: Coronavirus - Harvard epidemiolgist "Virus is thermonuclear" [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Keep these very informative posts going pickles don't listen to Vish. I regard them as my prime source of information and rely on them as many do on this forum


The idea that this has been manufactured somehow is plausible but there are some really nasty conditions that people live in where you would have thought something even nastier would be found.

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#631415 - 13/02/20 04:05 PM Re: Coronavirus - Harvard epidemiolgist "Virus is thermonuclear" [Re: Pickles]
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LIVE FROM HONG KONG: Coronovirus is Killing People and Commerce in China – Concerns Escalate Due to China’s Actions – Hubei and Wuhan Leaders Replaced



The coronavirus is killing off people and commerce in China. Mixed messaging from China’s leaders leads to more questions and less faith in what you can trust coming from the government.

Today in Hong Kong the schools announced that they will remain closed from the end of March through mid-March as a result of the coronavirus. Civil servants in Hong Kong were asked to stay home another week as well. Most companies in Hong Kong are following the governement’s recommendation to civil servants.

The airlines in Hong Kong are another indication of the impact the virus is having on Hong Kong, let alone China. The Hong Kong Immigration Department releases daily passenger arrivals and departures at the Hong Kong airport, one of the top ranked airports in the world:

The number of arrivals and departures has decreased between January 24th and February 12th astronomically, from 127,000 and 257,000 to 3,000 and 4,000, respectively. The world class Hong Kong airport, for all intensive purposes, is shut down. Since Saturday, any mainland arrivals must remain quarantined for 14 days per new actions taken in Hong Kong.

John Hopkins in the US maintains a site that counts cases by location and the numbers are increasing with over 60,000 now infected with the virus (see picture above). In addition the site shows that nearly 1,400 people have died and around 6,000 are recovered. This apparently doesn’t mean that nearly one in five infected with the virus dies because reports are that the virus is less fatal than SARS.

What is frustrating is that the Chinese government will not allow the CDC into China to identify the cause of the coronavirus or where it first started. Breitbart reported in late January:

U.S. health officials said that they have been offering for weeks to send experts to help China combat the coronavirus that has claimed at least 106 lives.

At press conference Tuesday, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the U.S. first offered to send experts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 6 but China has not yet accepted the offer.

“CDC experts are standing by, ready willing and able to go immediately to China, either on a bilateral basis or under the auspices of the World Health Organization,” Azar said. “This is a major public health issue and we basically just need the best public health people we have in the world working on this.”

U.S. personnel could aid China in answering critical public health questions about how the virus spreads, its incubation period, and if it can be spread by those not yet showing symptoms, CDC Director Robert Redfield said.

Because China won’t let the CDC in to determine the cause of the virus and other information to aid recovery, many suspect wrongdoing. One tweet identified the burning of organic matters outside Wuhan. It’s not sure what this organic matter is:

Data from https://t.co/oDMad8pquE shows a massive release of sulfur dioxide gas from the outskirts of Wuhan, commonly associated with the burning of organic matters. Levels are elevated, even compared with the rest of China. pic.twitter.com/XgBfJd7dDS

(@inteldotwav) February 8, 2020


Senator Tom Cotton is also concerned with reports coming out of China, noting that a super lab developed for biological warfare was very near the market where the virus is suspected of originating:

Fact: super-lab is just a few miles from that market

Where did it start? We don’t know. But burden of proof is on you & fellow communists. Open up now to competent international scientists.

— Tom Cotton (@SenTomCotton) February 9, 2020


China too is apparently upset with the way the coronavirus has been managed announcing changes today:

China’s Communist Party has replaced the party heads in the coronavirus stricken province of Hubei and its capital Wuhan, state media said on Thursday, reporting the most high profile officials to be dismissed in the wake of the epidemic.

The removal of Jiang Chaoliang, the leading Communist Party official of Hubei province, and Ma Guoqiang, his counterpart in Wuhan, follows the dismissal of two provincial health officials on Tuesday, and is part of a wider effort by Beijing to remove bureaucrats it accuses of shirking their duties.

The central government has set up a special cabinet task force under Premier Li Keqiang to handle the crisis, and the new appointments in Hubei suggest that China’s senior leaders are taking greater control.

Shanghai mayor Ying Yong has been appointed as the new secretary of the Hubei Provincial Committee of the Communist Party of China, replacing Jiang, the official Xinhua news agency said without explaining why Jiang was removed.

Now rumors coming out of China are that the Ying Yong knew he was being assigned to Hubei province because he sent doctors from Shanghai to Hubei recently, knowing they are needed.
Due to the lack of transparency and delay in reporting, the whole world is anxious wondering what is really going on in Wuhan. The coronavirus in China, Hong Kong and now the world is causing deaths and massive anxiety.

Hat tip Doug Ross

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02...aders-replaced/

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#631423 - 14/02/20 05:03 PM Re: Coronavirus - Harvard epidemiolgist "Virus is thermonuclear" [Re: Pickles]
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They Documented the Coronavirus Crisis in Wuhan. Then They Vanished



February 14, 2020 in Business, News

HONG KONG — The beige van squatted outside of a Wuhan hospital, its side and back doors ajar. Fang Bin, a local clothing salesman, peered inside as he walked past. He groaned: “So many dead.” He counted five, six, seven, eight body bags. “This is too many.”

That moment, in a 40-minute video about the coronavirus outbreak that has devastated China, propelled Mr. Fang to internet fame. Then, less than two weeks later, he disappeared.


Days earlier, another prominent video blogger in Wuhan, Chen Qiushi, had also gone missing. Mr. Chen’s friends and family said they believed he had been forcibly quarantined.

Before their disappearances, Mr. Fang and Mr. Chen had recorded dozens of videos from Wuhan, streaming unfiltered and often heartbreaking images from the heart of the outbreak. Long lines outside hospitals. Feeble patients. Agonized relatives.

The footage would have been striking anywhere. But it was especially so coming from inside China, where even mild criticism of the authorities is quickly scrubbed from the online record, and those responsible for it often punished.

The appetite for the videos reflects, in part, the shortage of independent news sources in China, where professional newspapers are tightly controlled by the authorities. Earlier this month, the state propaganda department deployed hundreds of journalists to reshape the narrative of the outbreak.

But the videos also reflected the growing call for free speech in China in recent weeks, as the coronavirus crisis has prompted criticism and introspection from unexpected corners across the country.

Several professional news organizations have produced incisive reports on the outbreak. A revolt against government censorship broke out on Chinese social media last week after the death of Li Wenliang, the Wuhan doctor who had tried to warn of the virus before officials had acknowledged an outbreak.

Mr. Fang’s and Mr. Chen’s videos were another manifestation of the dissatisfaction that the government’s handling of the outbreak has unleashed among ordinary Chinese citizens.

“When suddenly there’s a crisis, they want to have access to a wider array of content and reporting,” said Sarah Cook, who studies Chinese media at Freedom House, a pro-democracy research group based in the United States.

The disappearance of the two men also underscores that the ruling Communist Party has no intention of loosening its grip on free speech.

China’s leader, Xi Jinping, said last month that officials needed to “strengthen the guidance of public opinion.” While Chinese social media has overflowed with fear and grief, state propaganda outlets have emphasized Mr. Xi’s steady hand, framed the fight against the outbreak as a form of patriotism and shared upbeat videos of medical workers dancing.

More than 350 people across China have been punished for “spreading rumors” about the outbreak, according to Chinese Human Rights Defenders, an advocacy group.

Mr. Chen, a fast-talking, fresh-faced lawyer from eastern China, was already well-known online before the outbreak. He traveled to Hong Kong during the pro-democracy protests last year and disputed the Chinese authorities’ depiction of the demonstrators as a riotous mob.

The Beijing authorities summoned him back to the mainland and deleted his social media accounts, Mr. Chen told his followers later.

But when the coronavirus led officials to seal off Wuhan last month, he raced to the city of 11 million, citing his duty as a self-declared citizen journalist. “What sort of a journalist are you if you don’t dare rush to the front line?” he said.

In his videos, which drew millions of views on YouTube, Mr. Chen interviewed locals who had lost loved ones, filmed a woman breaking down as she waited for care and visited an exhibition center that had been converted into a quarantine center.

He was blocked from WeChat, a major Chinese social media app, for spreading rumors. But he was adamant that he shared only what he himself had seen or heard.

As time went on, Mr. Chen, usually energetic, began to show strain. “I am scared,” he said on Jan. 30. “In front of me is the virus. Behind me is China’s legal and administrative power.”

The authorities had contacted his parents to ask for his whereabouts, he said. He teared up suddenly. Then, his finger pointing at the camera, he blurted: “I’m not even scared of death. You think I’m scared of you, Communist Party?”

On Feb. 6, Mr. Chen’s friends lost contact with him. Xu Xiaodong, a prominent mixed martial arts practitioner and a friend of Mr. Chen, posted a video on Feb. 7 saying that Mr. Chen’s parents had been told that their son had been quarantined, though he had not shown symptoms of illness.

Unlike Mr. Chen, Mr. Fang, the clothing salesman, was fairly anonymous before the coronavirus outbreak. Much of his YouTube activity had involved producing enthusiastic videos about traditional Chinese clothing.

But as the outbreak escalated, he began sharing videos of Wuhan’s empty streets and crowded hospitals. They lacked the slickness of Mr. Chen’s dispatches, which were often subtitled and tightly edited. But, as with Mr. Chen’s videos, they showed a man growing increasingly desperate — and defiant.

On Feb. 2, Mr. Fang described how officials had confiscated his laptop and interrogated him about his footage of the body bags. On Feb. 4, he filmed a group of people outside his home, who said they were there to ask him questions. He turned them away, daring them to break down his door.

In his final videos, Mr. Fang turned explicitly political in a way rarely heard inside China, at least in public. Filming from inside his home — he said he was surrounded by plainclothes policemen — he railed against “greed for power” and “tyranny.”

His last video, on Feb. 9, was just 12 seconds long. It featured a scroll of paper with the words, “All citizens resist, hand power back to the people.”

Despite the worldwide audience for Mr. Fang’s and Mr. Chen’s videos, it is hard to know how much reach they had domestically, said Fang Kecheng, an assistant professor of journalism at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. Both men relied heavily on YouTube and Twitter, which are blocked in China.

But unlike the torrent of grief and anger online in response to the death of Dr. Li, news of Mr. Chen’s and Mr. Fang’s disappearances has been swiftly stamped out on Chinese social media. Their names returned almost no results on Weibo, China’s Twitter-like platform, on Friday.

Still, Ms. Cook said the power of Mr. Chen’s and Mr. Fang’s videos, as well as the reporting done by professional journalists in Wuhan, should not be underestimated.

She pointed to the Chinese authorities’ decision this week to loosen diagnostic requirements for coronavirus cases, leading to a significant jump in reported infections, as evidence of their impact.

That decision might not have come “if you didn’t have all these people in Wuhan sending out reports that what you’re hearing is an underestimate,” Ms. Cook said. “These very courageous individuals can, in unusual circumstances, push back and force the state’s hand.”

Mr. Fang, in one of his last videos, seemed struck by a similar sentiment. He thanked his viewers, who he said had been calling him nonstop to send support.

“A person, just an ordinary person, a silly person,” he said of himself, “who lifted the lid for a second.”

Elaine Yu contributed reporting.

The post They Documented the Coronavirus Crisis in Wuhan. Then They Vanished. appeared first on New York Times.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/14/they-documented-the-coronavirus-crisis-in-wuhan-then-they-vanished/

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