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#629975 - 10/12/19 10:49 AM The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip
Pickles Offline
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Registered: 23/12/15
Posts: 4420
Whilst everything is clicking on the pitch...which has now been for the past year and a half, it's vital we as a club never, ever get left behind again.

Liverpool FC for all it's history of success has gone too long (30 years) since being heralded as the number 1 team in it's own Country and that 1st elusive Premier League Title has still yet to be realized.
A combination of bad decisions and bad Owners allowed our demise in that barren spell and although we have not yet reached the summit, we are definitely on course. It's here we have to become savvy with everything off the pitch, finding new innovative ways to maintain this up-curve.

Klopp has overseen this sudden revolution however we cannot just put it at the feet of Klopp but of FSG's willingness to back Klopp when previously they tinkered and allowed their suits to have too much of a say to our recruitment of players. We must also recognize for all his failures with us Brendan Rodgers did plant the seeds for Klopp's new style of play. Brendan did have a plan to change the players' fitness levels and orchestrated the pressing, albeit with players he inherited who were not right for the plan. We did improve over the course of Brendan's tenure but FSG's suits did not allow him the players best suited to the teams needs and because of the this it ended up as us seeing failure with Brendan. It's only after time and seeing where we are now that you can recognize Brendan's contribution.

The biggest challenge for us ahead is going to be identifying the next generations of players to keep us on an upward trajectory. I would put it that FSG need to study what teams like Ajax, RB Leipzig / Salzburg and to a certain extent Southampton are doing with their recruitment and training of players because these clubs seem to have a conveyor belt of talent that are being sold on for huge sums of money. The fact we ourselves are a frequent Customer to some of these clubs should rankle with us.

Our recruitment and training of the kids has not bared the fruit it should have, with sparse fleeting appearances of heralded talent that have been loaned out to not been seen again. The only recent successes would be TAA and Gomez, for a club of our size and stature that is poor.
Whilst the current crop coming through does not look rosy, we have to fix it now and not become complacent.

We are never going to be able to match the Man Utd's, Man City's, Real Madrid's and Barcelona's of this world when it comes to bidding for the best talent, whilst we have inferior revenues. It's going to take time for FSG (if they are to stay around) to build the stadium up. So it's imperative we get the Academy right with the right folks recruiting and bringing through our own talent.

We must also prepare for Klopp's departure, identifying the next heir to his crown. Obvious candidates are going to be the likes of Stevie G and Pep Ljinders but I would like to see Milner kept at the club when he hangs his boots up because I believe his has the attributes to become a successful Manager for us.

The need to maintain where we are and not allow us to ever slip back again.

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#629978 - 10/12/19 12:39 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Pickles]
paul66 Offline
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Registered: 16/05/12
Posts: 1870
I would not have Stevie back at Liverpool until he proves himself. He is basically a first division manager. So we take him from that to probably the best team in world football at the moment? Not a hope. I'd have Rodgers back though or a top level manager

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#629979 - 10/12/19 12:47 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Pickles]
Hercules/AF 58 Offline
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Yeah good post Pickles. If we can't or won't improve the academy, we need to maintain Klopp's obvious ability to spot and develop first team and squad players, that's imperative. Improving income from marketing and sponsorship is also required, particularly since we failed to build a top class stadium with leading capacity.

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#629980 - 10/12/19 12:48 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Pickles]
Pickles Offline
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Yes I agree Paul, we can't make the mistake of blind sentiment when we eventually replace Klopp. Stevie G was a great player for us but he has a lot to prove before we could ever bring him back.
His playing career deserved more accolades, however he has to topple Celtic in Scotland and move on to a more difficult challenge and manage in a much better league to prove himself worthy of ever becoming Liverpool Manager.

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#629981 - 10/12/19 12:58 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Hercules/AF 58]
paul66 Offline
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Registered: 16/05/12
Posts: 1870
Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Yeah good post Pickles. If we can't or won't improve the academy, we need to maintain Klopp's obvious ability to spot and develop first team and squad players, that's imperative. Improving income from marketing and sponsorship is also required, particularly since we failed to build a top class stadium with leading capacity.


Klopp does not spot players. He didn't at Dortmund and he does not here. He will sign the players, but our scouting team do all the donkey work

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#629986 - 10/12/19 03:43 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: paul66]
Hercules/AF 58 Offline
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Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 8549
Originally Posted By paul66
Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Yeah good post Pickles. If we can't or won't improve the academy, we need to maintain Klopp's obvious ability to spot and develop first team and squad players, that's imperative. Improving income from marketing and sponsorship is also required, particularly since we failed to build a top class stadium with leading capacity.


Klopp does not spot players. He didn't at Dortmund and he does not here. He will sign the players, but our scouting team do all the donkey work

Yes the scouts do the donkey work, but Klopp does the final spotting and selections. Any manager that leaves the oversight and selection of signings to the scouting team ends up with a horse designed by committee, I.e a Drumaderry Camel.

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#630029 - 11/12/19 05:17 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Pickles]
redordead13 Offline
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Registered: 03/08/11
Posts: 8544
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Originally Posted By Pickles
Whilst everything is clicking on the pitch...which has now been for the past year and a half, it's vital we as a club never, ever get left behind again.

Liverpool FC for all it's history of success has gone too long (30 years) since being heralded as the number 1 team in it's own Country and that 1st elusive Premier League Title has still yet to be realized.
A combination of bad decisions and bad Owners allowed our demise in that barren spell and although we have not yet reached the summit, we are definitely on course. It's here we have to become savvy with everything off the pitch, finding new innovative ways to maintain this up-curve.

Klopp has overseen this sudden revolution however we cannot just put it at the feet of Klopp but of FSG's willingness to back Klopp when previously they tinkered and allowed their suits to have too much of a say to our recruitment of players. We must also recognize for all his failures with us Brendan Rodgers did plant the seeds for Klopp's new style of play. Brendan did have a plan to change the players' fitness levels and orchestrated the pressing, albeit with players he inherited who were not right for the plan. We did improve over the course of Brendan's tenure but FSG's suits did not allow him the players best suited to the teams needs and because of the this it ended up as us seeing failure with Brendan. It's only after time and seeing where we are now that you can recognize Brendan's contribution.

The biggest challenge for us ahead is going to be identifying the next generations of players to keep us on an upward trajectory. I would put it that FSG need to study what teams like Ajax, RB Leipzig / Salzburg and to a certain extent Southampton are doing with their recruitment and training of players because these clubs seem to have a conveyor belt of talent that are being sold on for huge sums of money. The fact we ourselves are a frequent Customer to some of these clubs should rankle with us.

Our recruitment and training of the kids has not bared the fruit it should have, with sparse fleeting appearances of heralded talent that have been loaned out to not been seen again. The only recent successes would be TAA and Gomez, for a club of our size and stature that is poor.
Whilst the current crop coming through does not look rosy, we have to fix it now and not become complacent.

We are never going to be able to match the Man Utd's, Man City's, Real Madrid's and Barcelona's of this world when it comes to bidding for the best talent, whilst we have inferior revenues. It's going to take time for FSG (if they are to stay around) to build the stadium up. So it's imperative we get the Academy right with the right folks recruiting and bringing through our own talent.

We must also prepare for Klopp's departure, identifying the next heir to his crown. Obvious candidates are going to be the likes of Stevie G and Pep Ljinders but I would like to see Milner kept at the club when he hangs his boots up because I believe his has the attributes to become a successful Manager for us.

The need to maintain where we are and not allow us to ever slip back again.



I especially agree with the part in bold. Rodgers was given dogs abuse in his last days (mostly because we were miserable and needed a scapegoat).

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#630207 - 17/12/19 09:50 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Pickles]
Flames Offline
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Registered: 22/09/09
Posts: 15008
Loc: Packing Moreno's Bag
Rodgers is not a top club manager. If it wasnt for suarez things would have been far worse. This clown was responsible for the SG retirement drubbing against stoke. He's doing a good job with leicester but id rather have arse surgery than have him back at the club.
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#630209 - 17/12/19 10:00 PM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Hercules/AF 58]
AccaBoosty Offline
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Registered: 23/11/11
Posts: 3307
Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By paul66
Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Yeah good post Pickles. If we can't or won't improve the academy, we need to maintain Klopp's obvious ability to spot and develop first team and squad players, that's imperative. Improving income from marketing and sponsorship is also required, particularly since we failed to build a top class stadium with leading capacity.


Klopp does not spot players. He didn't at Dortmund and he does not here. He will sign the players, but our scouting team do all the donkey work

Yes the scouts do the donkey work, but Klopp does the final spotting and selections. Any manager that leaves the oversight and selection of signings to the scouting team ends up with a horse designed by committee, I.e a Drumaderry Camel.


Sounds like your camel may be Irish !

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#630212 - 18/12/19 03:30 AM Re: The importance of not letting our momentum as a club slip [Re: Flames]
EnergisedReds Offline
Liverpool Legend

Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 20766
Originally Posted By Flames
Rodgers is not a top club manager. If it wasnt for suarez things would have been far worse. This clown was responsible for the SG retirement drubbing against stoke. He's doing a good job with leicester but id rather have arse surgery than have him back at the club.


I don't agree with you, he is a good manager but he was too inexperienced to take the LFC job, it came too early. Yes Suarez was a big factor, but you could say the same for Klopp with Salah who has broken Suarez record on games to reach 100 goals. Rodgers has learned a lot since and Leicester overperforming is not by chance. You also said Keita didn't understand the basics of football remember, do you still think the same?

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