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#629658 - 28/11/19 10:53 AM Liverpool v Brighton
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Score predictions?

Let us know what score you think the game will be!

Predicted team selection?

State who you think the boss will deploy.

Your team selection?

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#629663 - 28/11/19 04:38 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Given last nights performance, maybe we should give two or three of the kids a run out up front!! I'd drop Gomez as I'd think mentally he's still on the treatment table. It has to be TAA, the reborn Lovern, VvD and Robbo at the back
With Henderson, Ox and Wijnaldum. Then choose you're own trio from the academy, and pray like hell.
Predicted selection: guaranteed to be different from mine above, is all I know!
Score prediction: cough...ahem...ah...well, ah....jeez Dunk, that's a hard one...

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#629665 - 28/11/19 05:17 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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3-0 to us.

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#629668 - 28/11/19 08:19 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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We will probably concede again.

Problems scoring goals too.

2-1 seems to be our standard scoreline, so why not this time too?

Starting XI: Becker, Trent, Lovren, VvD, Robbo, Keita, Gini, Ox, Shaq, Mané, Origi.

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#629674 - 29/11/19 03:34 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
We will probably concede again.

Problems scoring goals too.

2-1 seems to be our standard scoreline, so why not this time too?

Starting XI: Becker, Trent, Lovren, VvD, Robbo, Keita, Gini, Ox, Shaq, Mané, Origi.


2-1 is a bit often these days but I think we should be able to score 3, so 3-1. I think Salah will start as he probably needs to get match fitness and don't think both Ox and Keita would start, so probably Hendo, Gini and Ox. Shaq might come off the bench if anything, don't think he is match fit to start.

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#629675 - 29/11/19 06:15 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Agree we need to keep playing Salah to give him every chance to get his mojo back. Sub him after 60min as protection if needed.
3-1 to us seems likely.

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#629679 - 29/11/19 11:03 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: elimmel]
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Originally Posted By elimmel
Agree we need to keep playing Salah to give him every chance to get his mojo back. Sub him after 60min as protection if needed.
3-1 to us seems likely.


Ok done grin

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#629680 - 29/11/19 12:10 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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No tinkering, get healthy lead then rest up players. Brighton are not good travelers, it's important we put this game to bed early and allow for changes with the derby coming up on Wednesday.

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#629682 - 29/11/19 01:22 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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I think it will be a few surprises in the lineup against Brighton.

Flair players like Shaq, Origi and Ox might get a start. Maybe even Lallana.

But against The Bluenoses it will be a graftman midfield of Milner, Hendo and Gini.

I think this is how Klopp sees these 2 upcoming games.

Rest needed and then rotation like exemplified above.


Edited by van Gogh (29/11/19 01:24 PM)

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#629683 - 29/11/19 01:24 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
I think it will be a few surprises in the lineup against Brighton.

Flair players like Shaq, Origi and Ox might get a start. Maybe even Lallana.

But against The Bluenoses it will be a graftman midfield of Milner, Hendo and Gini.

I think this is how Klopp sees these 2 upcoming games.

Rest needed and then rotation like exemplified above.


Yeah, I think some refreshing of the team is needed against Brighton.

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#629684 - 29/11/19 01:29 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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It's a shame that we aren't yet firing on all cylinders, because that means we should really need to play our preferred starting XI into top form.

But with the busy Crimbo schedule round the corner I think it's too late for that approach now.

Instead we have no option but to rest players into form - else there will be more injuries occuring no doubt. And that would be fatal and could derail our whole season.


Edited by van Gogh (29/11/19 01:30 PM)

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#629685 - 29/11/19 01:56 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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We need a few changes to freshen it up abit, so I would go:

------ Alisson

TAA VvD Lovren Robertson

Hendo -- Wij -- Ox

Salah -- Firmino -- Mane


I Would be looking to take 2 of the front 3 off as early as I could to give them a rest, so bring on the likes of Origi, Shaq or Keita (if fit), also try and give Robertson a rest by replacing him with Milner, if we can get a comfortable lead.

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#629686 - 29/11/19 02:41 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: ecnirp98]
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We need a few changes to freshen it up abit, so I would go:

------ Alisson

TAA VvD Lovren Robertson

Hendo -- Wij -- Ox

Salah -- Firmino -- Mane


I Would be looking to take 2 of the front 3 off as early as I could to give them a rest, so bring on the likes of Origi, Shaq or Keita (if fit), also try and give Robertson a rest by replacing him with Milner, if we can get a comfortable lead.



Mm why not.

I might even be tempted to try a 4-2-3-1 with the players you picked:

-------------Alisson-------------

TAA--Lovren--VvD--Robertson

-------Hendo---------Wij-------
----------------Ox---------------

--Salah----Firmino-----Mane--

Ox shouldn't play on the flank - he should be in the middle, and we need to try out a new way of play with Fab out for 1-2 months anyway. Is Brighton maybe a good game to deploy 2 dm's, and set Ox free to express himself and link up offensively with our front 3?

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#629687 - 29/11/19 05:40 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We need a few changes to freshen it up abit, so I would go:

------ Alisson

TAA VvD Lovren Robertson

Hendo -- Wij -- Ox

Salah -- Firmino -- Mane


I Would be looking to take 2 of the front 3 off as early as I could to give them a rest, so bring on the likes of Origi, Shaq or Keita (if fit), also try and give Robertson a rest by replacing him with Milner, if we can get a comfortable lead.



Mm why not.

I might even be tempted to try a 4-2-3-1 with the players you picked:

-------------Alisson-------------

TAA--Lovren--VvD--Robertson

-------Hendo---------Wij-------
----------------Ox---------------

--Salah----Firmino-----Mane--

Ox shouldn't play on the flank - he should be in the middle, and we need to try out a new way of play with Fab out for 1-2 months anyway. Is Brighton maybe a good game to deploy 2 dm's, and set Ox free to express himself and link up offensively with our front 3?


I agree, Ox needs to be central, in my 3 he's not really on the wing as he would be rotating and they are quite narrow with TAA & Robbo pushing on, just didn't look right with Wij on the left!

I don't think we need 2 DM's at home to Brighton, but Henderson & Wij are not purely defensive, and will push on, but I think it is important we give Ox the freedom to run with the ball at Brighton and stretch them, creating space for the front 3. I suspect Klopp will replace Fab with Lallana anyways, as he wants to try him as the holding MF.

I would like us to get comfortable in the lead early on and then take some key players off to rest, we've just not put ourselves in that position for a while.

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#629693 - 30/11/19 12:52 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Important week for us here. Two home games and an early kick off on the south coast next Saturday.

9/9 will be massive for us especially if others drop points.

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#629696 - 30/11/19 09:03 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: ecnirp98]
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
I agree, Ox needs to be central, in my 3 he's not really on the wing as he would be rotating and they are quite narrow with TAA & Robbo pushing on, just didn't look right with Wij on the left!

I don't think we need 2 DM's at home to Brighton, but Henderson & Wij are not purely defensive, and will push on, but I think it is important we give Ox the freedom to run with the ball at Brighton and stretch them, creating space for the front 3. I suspect Klopp will replace Fab with Lallana anyways, as he wants to try him as the holding MF.

I would like us to get comfortable in the lead early on and then take some key players off to rest, we've just not put ourselves in that position for a while.


Yeah, I think you are right.

Lallana will probably play - or the dynamic trio (Milner, Wij and Hendo).

The problem for me is that against teams like Brighton 2 never mind 3 of that trio on the pitch at the same time really makes us soo slow and predictable.

We need speed and creativity. Ie play Shaq or Ox to make things happen between the lines a lot more.

Against Napoli we were mainly rolling the ball about outside their defence lines. No running in between creating spaces.

We need to change that against teams sittning deep.

So what I would like to see is only 1 of Milner, Wij and Hendo. We probably need all 3 of them in the derby anyway, so they could need some resting today.

Then I would play 2 of Lallana, Shaq and Ox. Or even Origi and drop Bobby into the N:o 10 role.

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#629697 - 30/11/19 09:59 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
I agree, Ox needs to be central, in my 3 he's not really on the wing as he would be rotating and they are quite narrow with TAA & Robbo pushing on, just didn't look right with Wij on the left!

I don't think we need 2 DM's at home to Brighton, but Henderson & Wij are not purely defensive, and will push on, but I think it is important we give Ox the freedom to run with the ball at Brighton and stretch them, creating space for the front 3. I suspect Klopp will replace Fab with Lallana anyways, as he wants to try him as the holding MF.

I would like us to get comfortable in the lead early on and then take some key players off to rest, we've just not put ourselves in that position for a while.


Yeah, I think you are right.

Lallana will probably play - or the dynamic trio (Milner, Wij and Hendo).

The problem for me is that against teams like Brighton 2 never mind 3 of that trio on the pitch at the same time really makes us soo slow and predictable.

We need speed and creativity. Ie play Shaq or Ox to make things happen between the lines a lot more.

Against Napoli we were mainly rolling the ball about outside their defence lines. No running in between creating spaces.

We need to change that against teams sittning deep.

So what I would like to see is only 1 of Milner, Wij and Hendo. We probably need all 3 of them in the derby anyway, so they could need some resting today.

Then I would play 2 of Lallana, Shaq and Ox. Or even Origi and drop Bobby into the N:o 10 role.


I think we'll play 2 of Hendo, Wij and Milner+Ox

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#629699 - 30/11/19 10:52 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: ecnirp98]
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By van Gogh
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We need a few changes to freshen it up abit, so I would go:

------ Alisson

TAA VvD Lovren Robertson

Hendo -- Wij -- Ox

Salah -- Firmino -- Mane


I Would be looking to take 2 of the front 3 off as early as I could to give them a rest, so bring on the likes of Origi, Shaq or Keita (if fit), also try and give Robertson a rest by replacing him with Milner, if we can get a comfortable lead.



Mm why not.

I might even be tempted to try a 4-2-3-1 with the players you picked:

-------------Alisson-------------

TAA--Lovren--VvD--Robertson

-------Hendo---------Wij-------
----------------Ox---------------

--Salah----Firmino-----Mane--

Ox shouldn't play on the flank - he should be in the middle, and we need to try out a new way of play with Fab out for 1-2 months anyway. Is Brighton maybe a good game to deploy 2 dm's, and set Ox free to express himself and link up offensively with our front 3?


I agree, Ox needs to be central, in my 3 he's not really on the wing as he would be rotating and they are quite narrow with TAA & Robbo pushing on, just didn't look right with Wij on the left!

I don't think we need 2 DM's at home to Brighton, but Henderson & Wij are not purely defensive, and will push on, but I think it is important we give Ox the freedom to run with the ball at Brighton and stretch them, creating space for the front 3. I suspect Klopp will replace Fab with Lallana anyways, as he wants to try him as the holding MF.

I would like us to get comfortable in the lead early on and then take some key players off to rest, we've just not put ourselves in that position for a while.

Normally I'd be very much in agreement with those posts above. Against Brighton, with no disrespect intended, I'd be pretty confident while resting some key players, particularly with the Blue's coming up, but lord, oh lord, we're struggling over the line against these type teams this season so far, clinching injury time winners to get over the line, seems like every game! Tbh one has to say our form with the exception of the City game is worrying, and we're almost inexplicably conceding in virtually every game! Anyway having got that off my chest, I'll I'll inexplicably go for: yes 3 - 1 ....what else could it possibly be?

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#629702 - 30/11/19 11:09 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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I'm going to go with a bold 5-0 prediction and yes that means a rare cleansheet, surely we're due a big score line game?
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#629703 - 30/11/19 11:35 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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It'd be nice to see Newcastle take something off City before we play. I think we'd get a huge boost seeing City drop points again and it may allow us to play with more freedom than we've played in recent times.

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#629705 - 30/11/19 01:11 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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We keep talking about City but they aren't even closest to us.

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#629707 - 30/11/19 02:03 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Confirmed team ...

LFC: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Lovren, Van Dijk, Robertson, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Mane, Salah, Firmino.

SUBS: Adrian, Gomez, Milner, Keita, Lallana, Shaqiri, Origi.

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#629708 - 30/11/19 02:12 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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BRIGHTON: Ryan, Montoya, Webster, Dunk, Burn, Bissouma, Stephens, Propper, Gross, Connolly, Mooy.

SUBS: Button, Duffy, Schelotto, Alzate, Trossard, Maupay, Murray

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#629711 - 30/11/19 02:36 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Oli]
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Originally Posted By Oli
We keep talking about City but they aren't even closest to us.


Probably because, even after having dropped more points today, it wouldn't be too much of a surprise if City won every game from now until the end of the season. It would be a huge shock if Leicester or Chelsea did that though.

Having said that, Leicester have won the title recently and have a week to prepare every game. So we shouldn't be complacent. I'd feel comfortable only if/when we have say a 20 point gap to 2nd place whistle even then... I'd still be a little worried! crazy
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#629713 - 30/11/19 03:02 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
It'd be nice to see Newcastle take something off City before we play. I think we'd get a huge boost seeing City drop points again and it may allow us to play with more freedom than we've played in recent times.

got your wish Pickles, they've dropped two points again amazing!

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#629714 - 30/11/19 03:04 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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My sentiments exactly mighty.

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#629715 - 30/11/19 04:57 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: TheMightyLFC]
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Originally Posted By TheMightyLFC
Originally Posted By Oli
We keep talking about City but they aren't even closest to us.


Probably because, even after having dropped more points today, it wouldn't be too much of a surprise if City won every game from now until the end of the season. It would be a huge shock if Leicester or Chelsea did that though.

Having said that, Leicester have won the title recently and have a week to prepare every game. So we shouldn't be complacent. I'd feel comfortable only if/when we have say a 20 point gap to 2nd place whistle even then... I'd still be a little worried! crazy


Yep, can’t rule city out. We all know they can drop a [email protected] load of money in January if needed. We just have to keep concentrating on ourselves and whatever else happens happens.

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#629717 - 30/11/19 05:07 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Well, well, well, we did it again!!! But that wasn't monsters at play, that was mugs at play. What the hell was Allison thinking? What was Klopp thinking when he substituted Salah for a pale shadow??? What made us fall apart like that? Brighton should have nicked it from us by a couple of goals, bet they're kicking themselves! Our two goals both scored by VvD, what were our vaunted forwards doing? What caused us to concede more posesion to a lower table visiting team? Answers on a ream of paper if you please...

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#629720 - 30/11/19 05:16 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Big win with City dropping points.

Poor performance, at 2-0 we should have controlled the game much better, Alisson was silly, but you have to accept that sort of thing with how he plays behind the defenders out the box to intercept through balls. You could really see how we miss Fab, as we were not cutting out the balls from Brighton like we normally would.

We were lucky, the main thing is we took the 3 points.

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#629722 - 30/11/19 05:22 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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We should have been better prepared for the quick free kick, that was just naive, usually you stand someone infront of the ball to stop that, I guess the confusion was with Adrian just coming on and trying to line up the wall.

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#629723 - 30/11/19 05:52 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Atkinson is a twát - how can he listen to Dunk who tells him to blow the wistle without seeing to that our goalie is ready?

But above all: How Sunday League of first Alisson and then Adrián.

In the end Alisson's "save" meant nothing as we conceded anyway.

Now can someone get it over to Klopp that Lallana isn't a central defensive midfielder. So lightweight and totally out of form. He can be of use - we have seen it in this season before - but he is an offensive midfielder. Either play him there or don't play him at all.

We need much more stamina than what Lallana has to offer in the defensive midfield department.

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#629724 - 30/11/19 05:59 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Henderson has to take some blame if he was on the pitch when Alison handled the ball. He is the captain and should be switched on. He should have been watching the ref and the opposition and making sure we had time to get ready. Even if it means going down with cramp or something.

Also, I think that if the free quick isn't taken quickly in the first place and is triggered by the referee's whistle, then surely the referee has to allow reasonable time for the defence to set the wall and get in position.
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#629725 - 30/11/19 05:59 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
Atkinson is a twát - how can he listen to Dunk who tells him to blow the wistle without seeing to that our goalie is ready?

But above all: How Sunday League of first Alisson and then Adrián.

In the end Alisson's "save" meant nothing as we conceded anyway.

Now can someone get it over to Klopp that Lallana isn't a central defensive midfielder. So lightweight and totally out of form. He can be of use - we have seen it in this season before - but he is an offensive midfielder. Either play him there or don't play him at all.

We need much more stamina than what Lallana has to offer in the defensive midfield department.


Agree on Lallana, he shouldn't be anywhere near DM, far to lightweight and lacking pace, trying to do Cruyff turns in the middle of the pitch is not a good idea, he is best at threading through balls, so needs to play much further up the pitch.

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#629726 - 30/11/19 07:12 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: ecnirp98]
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We should have been better prepared for the quick free kick, that was just naive, usually you stand someone infront of the ball to stop that, I guess the confusion was with Adrian just coming on and trying to line up the wall.


Atkinson fu again

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#629727 - 30/11/19 07:17 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Another tight one but another 3 points. 40/42 - unbelievable and we're not even close to top form, especially the front 3.

I'll always fear City more than Leicester but they're not playing well either. Few tough games for them this month too so the gap could be wider in Jan and with us not playing at the Ethiad until later on, there'll be no opportunity for them to gather momentum and they may just focus on the CL.

That trip to Leicester could be THE game now.

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#629728 - 30/11/19 07:19 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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I read that Salah through a strop when he got hooked. This is no time for tantrums.
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#629729 - 30/11/19 07:26 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: TheMightyLFC]
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Originally Posted By TheMightyLFC
I read that Salah through a strop when he got hooked. This is no time for tantrums.


He did looked p*ssed off when he walked off, but I like that, he should be annoyed at being taken off, but he should also be annoyed with his current form.

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#629731 - 30/11/19 08:57 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: RedJohn]
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Originally Posted By RedJohn
Another tight one but another 3 points. 40/42 - unbelievable and we're not even close to top form, especially the front 3.

I'll always fear City more than Leicester but they're not playing well either. Few tough games for them this month too so the gap could be wider in Jan and with us not playing at the Ethiad until later on, there'll be no opportunity for them to gather momentum and they may just focus on the CL.

That trip to Leicester could be THE game now.

Yes Red, the Leicester game could well hold the key as you say. I'm delighted with the 3 points today despite being appalled by the performance. Can we expect a top of the range performance at Leicester? Maybe, hopefully, and I feel we'll need it. The loss of Fabinho is likely to be our biggest difficulty though, and unfortunately I see no suitable replacement, unless perhaps reverting to a 4231 formation with a double pivot as a makeshift. That setup would also allow us to use our front three with either Ox or Shaq supporting. Some might say that would restrict our fullbacks bombing forward, but the hat could be a blessing against Leicester.

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#629732 - 01/12/19 12:39 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: TheMightyLFC]
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Originally Posted By TheMightyLFC
Originally Posted By Oli
We keep talking about City but they aren't even closest to us.


Probably because, even after having dropped more points today, it wouldn't be too much of a surprise if City won every game from now until the end of the season. It would be a huge shock if Leicester or Chelsea did that though.

Having said that, Leicester have won the title recently and have a week to prepare every game. So we shouldn't be complacent. I'd feel comfortable only if/when we have say a 20 point gap to 2nd place whistle even then... I'd still be a little worried! crazy


Brighton had a whole week to prepare for us. Ditto Newcastle v Man City and West Ham at Chelsea.

Playing midweek as we get further into the season makes weekends harder. I am with you on this one. I won't be happy until we are 20 points clear either.

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#629734 - 01/12/19 03:03 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: RedJohn]
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Originally Posted By RedJohn
Another tight one but another 3 points. 40/42 - unbelievable and we're not even close to top form, especially the front 3.

I'll always fear City more than Leicester but they're not playing well either. Few tough games for them this month too so the gap could be wider in Jan and with us not playing at the Ethiad until later on, there'll be no opportunity for them to gather momentum and they may just focus on the CL.

That trip to Leicester could be THE game now.


Leicester is looking a threat now especially as they are not playing European cups

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#629735 - 01/12/19 06:00 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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Amazing result with others slipping up but I was quite shocked at how much possession they were having at Anfield, obviously they didn't too much with it but it still annoyed me.
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#629736 - 01/12/19 07:55 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Hercules/AF 58]
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Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By RedJohn
Another tight one but another 3 points. 40/42 - unbelievable and we're not even close to top form, especially the front 3.

I'll always fear City more than Leicester but they're not playing well either. Few tough games for them this month too so the gap could be wider in Jan and with us not playing at the Ethiad until later on, there'll be no opportunity for them to gather momentum and they may just focus on the CL.

That trip to Leicester could be THE game now.

Yes Red, the Leicester game could well hold the key as you say. I'm delighted with the 3 points today despite being appalled by the performance. Can we expect a top of the range performance at Leicester? Maybe, hopefully, and I feel we'll need it. The loss of Fabinho is likely to be our biggest difficulty though, and unfortunately I see no suitable replacement, unless perhaps reverting to a 4231 formation with a double pivot as a makeshift. That setup would also allow us to use our front three with either Ox or Shaq supporting. Some might say that would restrict our fullbacks bombing forward, but the hat could be a blessing against Leicester.


Fabinho's a big loss and I don't care how we play as long as we get this over the line, but I hope Ox gets a run or even Shaq/Keita to add a few midfield goals and help spark the front 3 into life. 4-2-1-3 as you say.

It's tough being an optimistic Red but if those front 3 turn it on now, it could be a very rosy picture in January.

City are playing really well, or quite poor, whereas we seem to be doing just enough whoever we play. Leciester are consistently better at the moment but it's still more likely they'll drop points

I hope we treat the club world cup like a training exercise. Nothing should distract us from this title.

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#629737 - 01/12/19 08:13 AM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Snakeye]
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Originally Posted By Snakeye
Amazing result with others slipping up but I was quite shocked at how much possession they were having at Anfield, obviously they didn't too much with it but it still annoyed me.


Our game isn't based around possession. Even when we're winning we don't hold possession. We takes chances by trying to mount swift attacks almost at every opportunity the downside of which is that we often give the ball away. That's how if feels to me.
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#629743 - 01/12/19 01:50 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: TheMightyLFC]
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Originally Posted By TheMightyLFC
Originally Posted By Snakeye
Amazing result with others slipping up but I was quite shocked at how much possession they were having at Anfield, obviously they didn't too much with it but it still annoyed me.


Our game isn't based around possession. Even when we're winning we don't hold possession. We takes chances by trying to mount swift attacks almost at every opportunity the downside of which is that we often give the ball away. That's how if feels to me.


Brighton played well, If we let Lovren leave in the summer, i'd be looking at someone like Dunk to come in, he's a good player.

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#629744 - 01/12/19 01:51 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We should have been better prepared for the quick free kick, that was just naive, usually you stand someone infront of the ball to stop that, I guess the confusion was with Adrian just coming on and trying to line up the wall.


Atkinson fu again


We can't complain too much, I'm sure Barca felt the same after TAA in the CL semi final.

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#629746 - 01/12/19 02:18 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: ecnirp98]
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We should have been better prepared for the quick free kick, that was just naive, usually you stand someone infront of the ball to stop that, I guess the confusion was with Adrian just coming on and trying to line up the wall.


Atkinson fu again


We can't complain too much, I'm sure Barca felt the same after TAA in the CL semi final.


True but there is a difference between taking a quick corner and a goalkeeper just coming on for his first action in the game. To be fair Barcelona didn't complain to the ref but had a go at each other.

We got caught like this v Chelsea a few years back with Luiz taking a quick one.

In these situations the captain must have a plan. Someone has to stand in the way, block the takers, take a yellow for the team. Other teams do it. Sometimes we need a bit more of the dark arts.

But it is very strange that we are talking about the same official who on his last 3 occasions in officiating us has cost us a goal for or one against.

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#629747 - 01/12/19 02:33 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: Dunk]
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There's a more significant difference to the Barcelona situation. This was a free kick of which, broadly speaking, there are two types from a refereeing management perspective.

One type is where there is opportunity to take the free quick quickly. This is usually when there are no cards given, no injuries to take care of etc. In these situations the team that was awarded the free kick has the opportunity to take it quickly. They can decline that opportunity in which case the referee will usually signal that they then have to wait for his whistle.

The other type of free kick is where there have been card, injuries etc... and quick free quick is not appropriate. In those situations the referee will state from the outset that the team awarded the free kick must wait for the whistle.

Whenever it has been stated that the free kick can only be taken after the referee blows the whistle then the referee makes sure that the wall is 10 yards away etc. In my opinion, he should also wait until the wall is set. Only then can he blow the whistle.

Yesterday, the referee blew the whistle for the free kick to be taken when Adrian was still organising the wall. I think that's the key issue... why did the ref blow his whistle when Adrian hadn't finished preparing the wall?
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#629750 - 01/12/19 05:40 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: TheMightyLFC]
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Originally Posted By TheMightyLFC
There's a more significant difference to the Barcelona situation. This was a free kick of which, broadly speaking, there are two types from a refereeing management perspective.

One type is where there is opportunity to take the free quick quickly. This is usually when there are no cards given, no injuries to take care of etc. In these situations the team that was awarded the free kick has the opportunity to take it quickly. They can decline that opportunity in which case the referee will usually signal that they then have to wait for his whistle.

The other type of free kick is where there have been card, injuries etc... and quick free quick is not appropriate. In those situations the referee will state from the outset that the team awarded the free kick must wait for the whistle.

Whenever it has been stated that the free kick can only be taken after the referee blows the whistle then the referee makes sure that the wall is 10 yards away etc. In my opinion, he should also wait until the wall is set. Only then can he blow the whistle.

Yesterday, the referee blew the whistle for the free kick to be taken when Adrian was still organising the wall. I think that's the key issue... why did the ref blow his whistle when Adrian hadn't finished preparing the wall?



Alisson took a while to go off and Adrian wasted allot of time coming on, limnbering up on the touch line etc, so I am guessing the ref thought he'd give him plenty of time to prepare.

The big thing was we should been professional and took control, stand someone infront of the ball, so if the ref says you gotta move away, you know it can be taken at any point from then.

I've watched the replay on MOTD a few times, it looks to me like Adrian could have got to it if he would have dived, he just seems to stop moving in the middle of the goal.

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#629764 - 02/12/19 12:37 PM Re: Liverpool v Brighton [Re: ecnirp98]
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Atkinson is useless and should be banned from refereeing

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