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#628639 - 27/10/19 10:20 PM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: Dunk]
van Gogh Offline
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Without Allison's and VVD's mentality we are a wreck in defence.

Just look at what happens when Klopp is playing Lovren! Imagine having him next to Matip or Gomez every week. No surprise we were leaking goals left, right and center before VVD arrived. Allison has then made us even more solid.

When we finally sell VVD, he needs to be replaced by a similar character, who instantly can step in and be the leader at the back - just as VVD did when he arrived nearly 2 years ago.

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#628645 - 28/10/19 06:42 AM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
Without Allison's and VVD's mentality we are a wreck in defence.

Just look at what happens when Klopp is playing Lovren! Imagine having him next to Matip or Gomez every week. No surprise we were leaking goals left, right and center before VVD arrived. Allison has then made us even more solid.

When we finally sell VVD, he needs to be replaced by a similar character, who instantly can step in and be the leader at the back - just as VVD did when he arrived nearly 2 years ago.


Our fortunes changed drastically after our record spending last year. Yes we cannot do that every season but you cannot win titles without top players and a top manager.

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#628646 - 28/10/19 06:45 AM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: Dunk]
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No that's a fact.

It will be as hard to replace Klopp as any of the other 2 just mentioned.

But we will have to, should they/when they depart. That's the difference between lingering around top 6 and challenging for the title and winning trophies (PL and CL) imo.

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#628650 - 28/10/19 08:05 AM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
No that's a fact.

It will be as hard to replace Klopp as any of the other 2 just mentioned.

But we will have to, should they/when they depart. That's the difference between lingering around top 6 and challenging for the title and winning trophies (PL and CL) imo.


Agree and I will add that we shouldn't stop buying quality even if they don't leave

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#628657 - 28/10/19 01:41 PM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By van Gogh
No that's a fact.

It will be as hard to replace Klopp as any of the other 2 just mentioned.

But we will have to, should they/when they depart. That's the difference between lingering around top 6 and challenging for the title and winning trophies (PL and CL) imo.


Agree and I will add that we shouldn't stop buying quality even if they don't leave


I agree, we have seen what an injection of quality can do, for too long we purchased mid-price players to maintain a top 4 challenge, if we want to win trophies, we need to buy quality in key positions when required.

We have also bought really well from relegated teams, the likes of Robertson, Wij & Shaq, so you do not have to spend 100 million on each player.

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#628660 - 28/10/19 02:42 PM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
Without Allison's and VVD's mentality we are a wreck in defence.

Just look at what happens when Klopp is playing Lovren! Imagine having him next to Matip or Gomez every week. No surprise we were leaking goals left, right and center before VVD arrived. Allison has then made us even more solid.

When we finally sell VVD, he needs to be replaced by a similar character, who instantly can step in and be the leader at the back - just as VVD did when he arrived nearly 2 years ago.


In 5 years or so, sign De Light or someone similar. No reason for him to go now.

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#628663 - 28/10/19 04:07 PM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: redordead13]
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Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By van Gogh
Without Allison's and VVD's mentality we are a wreck in defence.

Just look at what happens when Klopp is playing Lovren! Imagine having him next to Matip or Gomez every week. No surprise we were leaking goals left, right and center before VVD arrived. Allison has then made us even more solid.

When we finally sell VVD, he needs to be replaced by a similar character, who instantly can step in and be the leader at the back - just as VVD did when he arrived nearly 2 years ago.


In 5 years or so, sign De Light or someone similar. No reason for him to go now.


To be able to sign de Ligt we will need to have another record sale or new owners

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#628693 - 28/10/19 08:26 PM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By van Gogh
Without Allison's and VVD's mentality we are a wreck in defence.

Just look at what happens when Klopp is playing Lovren! Imagine having him next to Matip or Gomez every week. No surprise we were leaking goals left, right and center before VVD arrived. Allison has then made us even more solid.

When we finally sell VVD, he needs to be replaced by a similar character, who instantly can step in and be the leader at the back - just as VVD did when he arrived nearly 2 years ago.


In 5 years or so, sign De Light or someone similar. No reason for him to go now.


To be able to sign de Ligt we will need to have another record sale or new owners


And will Juve sell De Ligt? you need to get these players before they move to the top European clubs, like we did with VvD, Mane & Salah.

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#628702 - 29/10/19 02:40 AM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: ecnirp98]
EnergisedReds Online   content
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By van Gogh
Without Allison's and VVD's mentality we are a wreck in defence.

Just look at what happens when Klopp is playing Lovren! Imagine having him next to Matip or Gomez every week. No surprise we were leaking goals left, right and center before VVD arrived. Allison has then made us even more solid.

When we finally sell VVD, he needs to be replaced by a similar character, who instantly can step in and be the leader at the back - just as VVD did when he arrived nearly 2 years ago.


In 5 years or so, sign De Light or someone similar. No reason for him to go now.


To be able to sign de Ligt we will need to have another record sale or new owners


And will Juve sell De Ligt? you need to get these players before they move to the top European clubs, like we did with VvD, Mane & Salah.


They might for a record fee but we don't pay that kind of money unless we sell at a record fee or have new owners. Highly unlikely though.

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#628715 - 29/10/19 11:53 AM Re: Is Virgil van Dijk worth 300m? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
[quote=redordead13]

To be able to sign de Ligt we will need to have another record sale or new owners


And will Juve sell De Ligt? you need to get these players before they move to the top European clubs, like we did with VvD, Mane & Salah.


They might for a record fee but we don't pay that kind of money unless we sell at a record fee or have new owners. Highly unlikely though.


We rarely buy from the top European teams, usually it's from the second tier teams like Roma etc, as we will not pay the money needed to prise them away from the top clubs like a RM would, if we wanted De Ligt, we needed to sign him in the summer from Ajax, unless he fails at Juve, then we might be able to pick him up in a few years, but the fans will then complain we are signing a failed player who couldn't make it at a big club!

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