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#628037 - 06/10/19 12:43 PM The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland
Stanley Park Offline
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Registered: 21/10/09
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Varadkar has proved himself to be useful idiot for the EU. By allowing (in contrast to his predesssor) the Irish border to be weaponised to weaken the British negotiating position with the EU he has played a high stakes game with the living standards of the Irish people

A gamble that could backfire disasterously for the Republic

It goes either like

A deal cannot be agreed with the EU and johnson forces Britain out with no deal in three weeks

Or there is an election and johnson takes Britain out with no deal in January 2020 should johnson win which according to the polls he is favourite to do so.

This would be bad for Britain and Europe short term but their economies are big enough to withstand short term hits. Ireland has an economy that is almost entirely reliant on the U.K. and Northern Ireland consumers especially its agri industry

Ireland is also very badly in debt a seismic hit on its economy will mean it might need further bail outs. The EU has enough debt problems of its own now trying to prop up Southern Europe and Italy. Like last time the EU will leave Ireland to hang out to dry. Ireland will look to Britain but Britain has its own problems and given varadkars hostility to its biggest neighbour Britain this time might not be so forthcoming

This could result next year in real hardship in Ireland and it will be entirely varadkars doing he will be fine a job in the EU commission awaits for services rendered. The Irish people will have to take the hit Unfortunetly, fortunetly for them due to the 1923 agreement anyone in Ireland is welcome to live in the U.K.
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#628039 - 06/10/19 01:48 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Stanley Park]
Shaggydog Offline
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Registered: 30/12/10
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Oh dear.

Right wing English nationalist nut job threatens Ireland with economic ruin if it doesn't dance to Britain's tune on a football forum . All of Ireland quakes.

So there is no magical solution to the border problem after all. Surprise surprise.

Don't worry you will have an additional 3 months to come up with a solution when "Die in a Ditch" signs the extension.

" we aren't racists, we are characters".

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#628040 - 06/10/19 02:09 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Shaggydog]
Stanley Park Offline
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Posts: 26427
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Oh dear.

Right wing English nationalist nut job threatens Ireland with economic ruin if it doesn't dance to Britain's tune on a football forum . All of Ireland quakes.

So there is no magical solution to the border problem after all. Surprise surprise.

Don't worry you will have an additional 3 months to come up with a solution when "Die in a Ditch" signs the extension.

" we aren't racists, we are characters".





What part of what I written was untrue and unlikely ? It looks a certainty if no brexit deal is agreed or we are forced to stay in the EU. If that comes it pass Ireland economically is in huge trouble. If you bother to read boris signing an extension is covered in my post but the extension could be for as little as 3 months. It's fine coming up with daft jibes


Edited by Stanley Park (06/10/19 02:10 PM)
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#628041 - 06/10/19 02:29 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Stanley Park]
EnergisedReds Offline
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Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 20673
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Varadkar has proved himself to be useful idiot for the EU. By allowing (in contrast to his predesssor) the Irish border to be weaponised to weaken the British negotiating position with the EU he has played a high stakes game with the living standards of the Irish people

A gamble that could backfire disasterously for the Republic

It goes either like

A deal cannot be agreed with the EU and johnson forces Britain out with no deal in three weeks

Or there is an election and johnson takes Britain out with no deal in January 2020 should johnson win which according to the polls he is favourite to do so.

This would be bad for Britain and Europe short term but their economies are big enough to withstand short term hits. Ireland has an economy that is almost entirely reliant on the U.K. and Northern Ireland consumers especially its agri industry

Ireland is also very badly in debt a seismic hit on its economy will mean it might need further bail outs. The EU has enough debt problems of its own now trying to prop up Southern Europe and Italy. Like last time the EU will leave Ireland to hang out to dry. Ireland will look to Britain but Britain has its own problems and given varadkars hostility to its biggest neighbour Britain this time might not be so forthcoming

This could result next year in real hardship in Ireland and it will be entirely varadkars doing he will be fine a job in the EU commission awaits for services rendered. The Irish people will have to take the hit Unfortunetly, fortunetly for them due to the 1923 agreement anyone in Ireland is welcome to live in the U.K.


I wonder why peace in NI looks more important to the ROI than UK, do you know why?

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#628042 - 06/10/19 02:32 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Stanley Park]
Shaggydog Offline
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Registered: 30/12/10
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Loc: Derry
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Oh dear.

Right wing English nationalist nut job threatens Ireland with economic ruin if it doesn't dance to Britain's tune on a football forum . All of Ireland quakes.

So there is no magical solution to the border problem after all. Surprise surprise.

Don't worry you will have an additional 3 months to come up with a solution when "Die in a Ditch" signs the extension.

" we aren't racists, we are characters".





What part of what I written was untrue and unlikely ? It looks a certainty if no brexit deal is agreed or we are forced to stay in the EU. If that comes it pass Ireland economically is in huge trouble. If you bother to read boris signing an extension is covered in my post but the extension could be for as little as 3 months. It's fine coming up with daft jibes


Your first post is the daftest jibe I have seen in quite some time.

A post created on ifs, buts and maybes. But primarily driven by the fact that you are angry because Ireland will no longer dance to England's tune.

The Tory party created this mess and it is up to the Tory party to come up with a workable solution.

Ireland and the EU are still waiting for a workable alternative to the backstop. Have you come up with a solution all on your own or will you just be resorting to more name calling?

#we aren't racists we are characters.

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#628044 - 06/10/19 02:36 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Stanley Park]
Derek Offline
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Registered: 11/04/10
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It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.

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#628047 - 06/10/19 03:03 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Derek]
Stanley Park Offline
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Registered: 21/10/09
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Originally Posted By Derek
It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.


There is an agreement between Britain and Ireland since 1923 where there is freedom of movement between the two countries. I don't have any stats but I bet there are more Irish people living in Britain than Ireland entirely in harmony families workplace social the only hatred I see is on here with people still fighting battles of 400 years ago


Edited by Stanley Park (06/10/19 03:03 PM)
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#628048 - 06/10/19 03:07 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Stanley Park]
EnergisedReds Offline
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Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 20673
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Derek
It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.


There is an agreement between Britain and Ireland since 1923 where there is freedom of movement between the two countries. I don't have any stats but I bet there are more Irish people living in Britain than Ireland entirely in harmony families workplace social the only hatred I see is on here with people still fighting battles of 400 years ago


It looks like peace in NI is more important to ROI than England, do you understand why?

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#628049 - 06/10/19 03:15 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Stanley Park]
Shaggydog Offline
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Registered: 30/12/10
Posts: 11009
Loc: Derry
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Derek
It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.


There is an agreement between Britain and Ireland since 1923 where there is freedom of movement between the two countries. I don't have any stats but I bet there are more Irish people living in Britain than Ireland entirely in harmony families workplace social the only hatred I see is on here with people still fighting battles of 400 years ago


I only see one person on here spouting hatred and that's you. If it isn't the Irish, it's Europeans, Muslims, Scots, blacks or socialists.

Ireland has moved on and bears no resemblance to the country you visited 20 years ago. You should try doing the same.

The border in Ireland was created and enforced by Britain not Ireland It is of course a British border and it is appropriate that Britain should be tasked with solving the problems it is now creating.

#we aren't racists we are characters

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#628051 - 06/10/19 03:26 PM Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland [Re: Shaggydog]
Stanley Park Offline
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Calling British soldiers terrorists shows you for what you are an IRA sympathiser no one else would say that and I have met people like you in real life I can smell the hatred immediately

I also have noticed you don't condemn the IRA Directly you condemn all violence that's exactly the language the IRA used in the 80,s. When they murdered civilians they claimed it was the result of British oppression not them. Your last post also mentions British imposed border again the language of the IRA. The majority in Northern Ireland don't agree with you and would see you for what you are a sectarian extremist
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