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#627682 - 25/09/19 02:18 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Prorogation unlawful, Bojo wants to try anything to win the election even if it's unlawful. The farce is getting bigger and bigger


Legal technicality but it was void not unlawful it would be unlawful if boris took exactly the same action again. The courts interpretated the law and came to a precendent decision which will impact interpretation of the law going forward. Boris did not break the law

Please offer a correction


This is what I read was said by the supreme court, I didn't make it up, I won't dare.

"This court has Ö concluded that the prime ministerís advice to Her Majesty [ to suspend parliament] was unlawful, void and of no effect. This means that the order in council to which it led was also unlawful, void and of no effect should be quashed"

Can I consider the correction offered?


Edited by EnergisedReds (25/09/19 02:18 PM)

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#627683 - 25/09/19 02:21 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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They declared it void which means it has no legal effect it can only be unlawful if it was repeated as the interpretation of the law was created at that point. It's also constitutional law not criminal law happy to be proved wrong
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#627684 - 25/09/19 02:25 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
They declared it void which means it has no legal effect it can only be unlawful if it was repeated as the interpretation of the law was created at that point. It's also constitutional law not criminal law happy to be proved wrong


Did they say it was unlawful as well or not? If it was criminal law Boris would have had to be bailed out, not sure what your point is.

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#627690 - 25/09/19 04:12 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it
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#627694 - 25/09/19 05:07 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it


They didn't create a new law, they just gave the interpretation of the law which also creates precedence. So the act was unlawful, whether Bojo did it in good faith or not is another matter.

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#627697 - 25/09/19 05:57 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it


They didn't create a new law, they just gave the interpretation of the law which also creates precedence. So the act was unlawful, whether Bojo did it in good faith or not is another matter.


Aspects of their judgement did change the structure of the law. The legal relationship between the queen and the prime minster is now changed. Johnson consulted the attorney general every other prime minister in history would have done no more. You are right the judges did make a new precendent that's why it could not be illegal prior to that point only after and at the point of their judgement
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#627712 - 26/09/19 02:31 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it


They didn't create a new law, they just gave the interpretation of the law which also creates precedence. So the act was unlawful, whether Bojo did it in good faith or not is another matter.


Aspects of their judgement did change the structure of the law. The legal relationship between the queen and the prime minster is now changed. Johnson consulted the attorney general every other prime minister in history would have done no more. You are right the judges did make a new precendent that's why it could not be illegal prior to that point only after and at the point of their judgement


They said in their judgement that it was unlawful isn't it? Not knowing or not understanding the law doesn't mean you can break it. I agree though that Bojo didn't know he was breaking the law, poor fellow.

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#627716 - 26/09/19 09:10 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.
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#627730 - 26/09/19 11:54 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.


Well, if you believe that so many people in respectable institutions are impartial, then you will have a major problem living in UK. To have all the 11 judges to be impartial would be quite something you know.

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#627745 - 26/09/19 02:49 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.


Well, if you believe that so many people in respectable institutions are impartial, then you will have a major problem living in UK. To have all the 11 judges to be impartial would be quite something you know.


What's going on in Britain right now is unbelievable 11 biased judges would surprise me not one bit. Never thought I would say that. Where it will end not sure it's getting very dangerous
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