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#627582 - 24/09/19 09:56 AM Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful
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A great day for democracy.

As for Bojo: can this clown stoop any lower.


Edited by Shaggydog (24/09/19 09:57 AM)

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#627583 - 24/09/19 10:27 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Interesting that. Be interesting to see if he’s banged up? Surely he should be if he’s broken the law?

Just another nail in the brexit coffin and democracies.

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#627586 - 24/09/19 12:46 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
A great day for democracy.

As for Bojo: can this clown stoop any lower.


Anything to win elections and he calls it democracy, who is he fooling, though looks like a big lot are falling for it. The farce is just getting bigger and bigger.

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#627587 - 24/09/19 12:47 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EnergisedReds]
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even Nigel said his proroguing was a disgrace

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#627592 - 24/09/19 01:24 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
even Nigel said his proroguing was a disgrace


Looks like there is a clown contest between Bojo and Trump, putting the joke first.

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#627597 - 24/09/19 04:01 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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It is high time the Queen stepped in and sorted this mess out. We have a rogue parliament trying to scuttle a referendum result and a rogue Supreme court usurping the role of the Executive and overtly playing politics to try and effect same. If ever there was a time when Her Majesty needed to intervene it is now, when there is a constitutional crisis. And her bearings should be guided by one thing; that the people voted for Brexit and that the referendum result must be delivered. Parliament is unworkable and needs to be dissolved. The supreme court justices, who have violated judicial independence, should have Royal assent removed and the Queen should annul the court decision. She should then instruct that new elections are to be called for Nov. 1, 2019 with Britain no longer a part of the EU.

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#627612 - 24/09/19 04:51 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
It is high time the Queen stepped in and sorted this mess out. We have a rogue parliament trying to scuttle a referendum result and a rogue Supreme court usurping the role of the Executive and overtly playing politics to try and effect same. If ever there was a time when Her Majesty needed to intervene it is now, when there is a constitutional crisis. And her bearings should be guided by one thing; that the people voted for Brexit and that the referendum result must be delivered. Parliament is unworkable and needs to be dissolved. The supreme court justices, who have violated judicial independence, should have Royal assent removed and the Queen should annul the court decision. She should then instruct that new elections are to be called for Nov. 1, 2019 with Britain no longer a part of the EU.



You yanks should consider invading the UK and restoring democracy.

Quite a lot of toys out of your pram today.

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#627616 - 24/09/19 05:03 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
It is high time the Queen stepped in and sorted this mess out. We have a rogue parliament trying to scuttle a referendum result and a rogue Supreme court usurping the role of the Executive and overtly playing politics to try and effect same. If ever there was a time when Her Majesty needed to intervene it is now, when there is a constitutional crisis. And her bearings should be guided by one thing; that the people voted for Brexit and that the referendum result must be delivered. Parliament is unworkable and needs to be dissolved. The supreme court justices, who have violated judicial independence, should have Royal assent removed and the Queen should annul the court decision. She should then instruct that new elections are to be called for Nov. 1, 2019 with Britain no longer a part of the EU.


Total nonsense. I can see only one solution now, a referendum on the negotiated deal against no Brexit. I think it would be fair and democratic to keep no deal as an option in a 2 rounds vote and legally binding. Will be totally democratic.

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#627617 - 24/09/19 05:05 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Forcing parliament back into session does nothing to help remainers other than expose their hypocrisy, the clueless backasswardness of Labour's promise to negotiate a Deal and then campaign against it, and the LibDems blatant and shrill anti-democracy. The corrupt and biased Supreme Court, the intransigent Juncker, the shrill yapping of the self-important Varadkar, the posturing of the irrelevant Macron--- all has the same effect. It all pushes BoJo and the government to give two fingers to the whole lot, erase any vestiges of inclination to compromise, and increase the chances of a Clean No Deal Brexit.

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#627618 - 24/09/19 05:20 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
Forcing parliament back into session does nothing to help remainers other than expose their hypocrisy, the clueless backasswardness of Labour's promise to negotiate a Deal and then campaign against it, and the LibDems blatant and shrill anti-democracy. The corrupt and biased Supreme Court, the intransigent Juncker, the shrill yapping of the self-important Varadkar, the posturing of the irrelevant Macron--- all has the same effect. It all pushes BoJo and the government to give two fingers to the whole lot, erase any vestiges of inclination to compromise, and increase the chances of a Clean No Deal Brexit.


No sense whatsoever in what you have written, the whole world is against Bojo, right? You are not even there to experience the abyss of the no deal precipice.

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#627619 - 24/09/19 05:24 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
Forcing parliament back into session does nothing to help remainers other than expose their hypocrisy, the clueless backasswardness of Labour's promise to negotiate a Deal and then campaign against it, and the LibDems blatant and shrill anti-democracy. The corrupt and biased Supreme Court, the intransigent Juncker, the shrill yapping of the self-important Varadkar, the posturing of the irrelevant Macron--- all has the same effect. It all pushes BoJo and the government to give two fingers to the whole lot, erase any vestiges of inclination to compromise, and increase the chances of a Clean No Deal Brexit.


Is there anyone you don't dislike?

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#627624 - 24/09/19 06:16 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Nothing was more certain the courts would find against Johnson the courts to my knowledge have never found in favour or brexit and opposed it on every case. They are working with the speaker and remain parliament.

However ironically this could work for Johnson assuming he does not resign. He can position himself as on the side of the people vs the establishment

Sure the left and remainers will be crowing today but they might not be in future when the courts and the establishment find against their democratic aims given they have fundamentally changed how our governance operates all in a desperate bid to overturn the publics vote. There are a lot of very angry people in Britain tonight

That won't harm johnsons chances in an election and remain parliament cannot block an election forever
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#627628 - 24/09/19 06:30 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Nothing was more certain the courts would find against Johnson the courts to my knowledge have never found in favour or brexit and opposed it on every case. They are working with the speaker and remain parliament.

However ironically this could work for Johnson assuming he does not resign. He can position himself as on the side of the people vs the establishment

Sure the left and remainers will be crowing today but they might not be in future when the courts and the establishment find against their democratic aims given they have fundamentally changed how our governance operates all in a desperate bid to overturn the publics vote. There are a lot of very angry people in Britain tonight

That won't harm johnsons chances in an election and remain parliament cannot block an election forever
Nope,just you.
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#627629 - 24/09/19 06:32 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Nothing was more certain the courts would find against Johnson the courts to my knowledge have never found in favour or brexit and opposed it on every case. They are working with the speaker and remain parliament.

However ironically this could work for Johnson assuming he does not resign. He can position himself as on the side of the people vs the establishment

Sure the left and remainers will be crowing today but they might not be in future when the courts and the establishment find against their democratic aims given they have fundamentally changed how our governance operates all in a desperate bid to overturn the publics vote. There are a lot of very angry people in Britain tonight

That won't harm johnsons chances in an election and remain parliament cannot block an election forever


Are you saying the judges of your supreme court are not neutral? Do you really think everybody is against the Brexiters? Do you know that only 34% of the voters actually voted for Brexit, does this represent the people? I think emotions are disturbing your vision, seriously. The best thing that can happen to your country is a new referendum on 2 rounds with 3 options, no deal, negotiated deal and no Brexit can't see a general election solving the issue, there is a bigger probability of another hung parliament. Can't see first time / young voters going for no deal Tories.

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#627631 - 24/09/19 06:37 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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It was probably the fault of the younger voter who can't be arsed to vote that put us into this mess in the first place.
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#627641 - 24/09/19 07:11 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Nothing was more certain the courts would find against Johnson the courts to my knowledge have never found in favour or brexit and opposed it on every case. They are working with the speaker and remain parliament.

However ironically this could work for Johnson assuming he does not resign. He can position himself as on the side of the people vs the establishment

Sure the left and remainers will be crowing today but they might not be in future when the courts and the establishment find against their democratic aims given they have fundamentally changed how our governance operates all in a desperate bid to overturn the publics vote. There are a lot of very angry people in Britain tonight

That won't harm johnsons chances in an election and remain parliament cannot block an election forever


So it's all a conspiracy and even your supreme court is in on the act.

I am sure a lot of people are angry at the fact that yet again their PM has been shown to be exceptionally economical with the truth.

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#627651 - 24/09/19 08:02 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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The Supreme Court is a very unBritish and unDemocratic very recent institution from the Tony Blair era. Setup in 2005 designed to realign Britain’s old-established legal system as Blair is the one who made it into an EU friendly model and with it the leftist agenda. The decision today is borderline tyrannical made by unrepresentative, unaccountable people who have now presumed the authority to strike down actual government decisions. This weakens any future government’s claim to moral and political authority and their basic ability to relate to parliament, to negotiate treaties, and to act on the will of the people. UK Citizens are now hostages and their vote means diddly squat!

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#627652 - 24/09/19 08:13 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: lumba]
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Originally Posted By lumba
It was probably the fault of the younger voter who can't be arsed to vote that put us into this mess in the first place.


Well weren’t they the age group with the smallest turn out in the referendum? Then the biggest whingers that it didn’t go ‘their’ way.

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#627653 - 24/09/19 08:18 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Nothing was more certain the courts would find against Johnson the courts to my knowledge have never found in favour or brexit and opposed it on every case. They are working with the speaker and remain parliament.

However ironically this could work for Johnson assuming he does not resign. He can position himself as on the side of the people vs the establishment

Sure the left and remainers will be crowing today but they might not be in future when the courts and the establishment find against their democratic aims given they have fundamentally changed how our governance operates all in a desperate bid to overturn the publics vote. There are a lot of very angry people in Britain tonight

That won't harm johnsons chances in an election and remain parliament cannot block an election forever


So it's all a conspiracy and even your supreme court is in on the act.

I am sure a lot of people are angry at the fact that yet again their PM has been shown to be exceptionally economical with the truth.



I think people will be angry because yet again this farce is going to be prolonged. People will be angry as parliament seem more interested in their own gains than what people voted for. I could go on but I’d be here all night listing the things that people could be angry about with this shower of turds.

Of course people like yourself who’ve never brought themselves to accept the vote will be jumping for joy but most of the people I know, remainers or leavers, just want this finished for the good of the country. Yes yes. No one knew what they voted for I know.

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#627654 - 24/09/19 09:11 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Nothing was more certain the courts would find against Johnson the courts to my knowledge have never found in favour or brexit and opposed it on every case. They are working with the speaker and remain parliament.

However ironically this could work for Johnson assuming he does not resign. He can position himself as on the side of the people vs the establishment

Sure the left and remainers will be crowing today but they might not be in future when the courts and the establishment find against their democratic aims given they have fundamentally changed how our governance operates all in a desperate bid to overturn the publics vote. There are a lot of very angry people in Britain tonight

That won't harm johnsons chances in an election and remain parliament cannot block an election forever


So it's all a conspiracy and even your supreme court is in on the act.

I am sure a lot of people are angry at the fact that yet again their PM has been shown to be exceptionally economical with the truth.



I think people will be angry because yet again this farce is going to be prolonged. People will be angry as parliament seem more interested in their own gains than what people voted for. I could go on but I’d be here all night listing the things that people could be angry about with this shower of turds.

Of course people like yourself who’ve never brought themselves to accept the vote will be jumping for joy but most of the people I know, remainers or leavers, just want this finished for the good of the country. Yes yes. No one knew what they voted for I know.


Why do people who voted remain now have to accept leaving with No Deal?

Also how is leaving with No Deal going to be for the good of the country.

No one mentioned No Deal before the referendum. Easiest deal in history anyone?

If people want to get angry then get angry with the tories. This is their creation, no one else's.

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#627655 - 24/09/19 09:12 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
The Supreme Court is a very unBritish and unDemocratic very recent institution from the Tony Blair era. Setup in 2005 designed to realign Britain’s old-established legal system as Blair is the one who made it into an EU friendly model and with it the leftist agenda. The decision today is borderline tyrannical made by unrepresentative, unaccountable people who have now presumed the authority to strike down actual government decisions. This weakens any future government’s claim to moral and political authority and their basic ability to relate to parliament, to negotiate treaties, and to act on the will of the people. UK Citizens are now hostages and their vote means diddly squat!


Oh dear

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#627665 - 25/09/19 06:47 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Nothing was more certain the courts would find against Johnson the courts to my knowledge have never found in favour or brexit and opposed it on every case. They are working with the speaker and remain parliament.

However ironically this could work for Johnson assuming he does not resign. He can position himself as on the side of the people vs the establishment

Sure the left and remainers will be crowing today but they might not be in future when the courts and the establishment find against their democratic aims given they have fundamentally changed how our governance operates all in a desperate bid to overturn the publics vote. There are a lot of very angry people in Britain tonight

That won't harm johnsons chances in an election and remain parliament cannot block an election forever


So it's all a conspiracy and even your supreme court is in on the act.

I am sure a lot of people are angry at the fact that yet again their PM has been shown to be exceptionally economical with the truth.



I think people will be angry because yet again this farce is going to be prolonged. People will be angry as parliament seem more interested in their own gains than what people voted for. I could go on but I’d be here all night listing the things that people could be angry about with this shower of turds.

Of course people like yourself who’ve never brought themselves to accept the vote will be jumping for joy but most of the people I know, remainers or leavers, just want this finished for the good of the country. Yes yes. No one knew what they voted for I know.


Why do people who voted remain now have to accept leaving with No Deal?

Also how is leaving with No Deal going to be for the good of the country.

No one mentioned No Deal before the referendum. Easiest deal in history anyone?

If people want to get angry then get angry with the tories. This is their creation, no one else's.







There was a democratic vote and leave won. Not a hard concept to grasp. We need to leave in whatever way possible.

No one knows if a no deal will be good for us. No one knows if a deal will be good for us. No one knows if staying in will be good for us. Obviously the remain press won’t report anything but leaving being bad.

No deal was always there. It’s the default legal position to leave. Most people I know who wanted to leave wanted a clean break. A no deal. People knew about it.

And yes, you keep saying it’s a Tory problem and it’s all their fault. But it’s bigger than that now. Not one single party is doing anything for the good of us all. Labour are still on the fence and after calling for an election for two years are now running away because they know they’ll lose. The Lib Dem’s will do what they can to stay as will Jimmy Crankie. They’re all playing political games and not looking out for the good of this country.

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#627667 - 25/09/19 08:30 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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No one knows if a no deal will be good for us. Yet you know that a 32 hour week will ruin the country. That's handy.

One a tory policy, the other a labour policy.

Again, when during the referendum campaign did the leave leaders tell the voters that you would be leaving with no deal? There are no end of quotes extolling the virtues of a trade deal and negotiating the easiest deal in history.

Once more, this a problem created entirely by the tory party. Yet you have a go at labour, the lib dems and the SNP.

If it wasn't for those opposition parties the UK would be staring into the insanity of a No Deal brexit in a few weeks time. I think in blocking no deal they did a great amount of good for your country.

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#627668 - 25/09/19 10:58 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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I left out the Tory’s in my moan which I shouldn’t have because I hold them all in as much contempt as one another. And I moan about them as they’re not working towards getting us out with a deal. May had a deal that we kept being told was terrible by everyone in parliament and people in the media yet no one could articulate why it was terrible.

If they would ALL put party politics to one side then this would’ve been done by now.

No deal isn’t a Tory policy. It’s the legal default position for us to leave. I can’t recall how much or if was mentioned in the referendum campaign but that’s the fact of the matter. A deal could’ve been easy if they’d done what I said above.

As for the 4 day week, it’s not about who’s policy it is but more about how, like most of what the commies come out with, that it won’t work. Tell me how you can get the same productivity from a work force in 4 days as you can in 5 with no loss of income, profit or jobs? They spoke of automation helping but automation generally means people aren’t needed.

I don’t want a no deal by the way just pointing out that it might not be the armageddon that the media are pushing.


Edited by wilkij1975 (25/09/19 10:59 AM)

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#627669 - 25/09/19 11:31 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: wilkij1975]
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It was a bad deal cause Theresa decided to go off on her own and not involve anybody. The brexiters want a no deal(despite campaigning and lying about second referendums and easy deals) and the opposition didn't want her deal cause they were left out of it and don't trust the tories anyway. Illegal referendum, would have had to be re-run if it was a legally binding vote ,because of cheating in the leave campaign. A putin inspired democratic coup it was, supported by russian money accepting liars and cheats, that is destroying your country.

The tories are a joke and you needed real adults to pull out of the EU, people that would have gotten everyone together and sorted out N.ireland (which was stupidly ignored and is the real problem with brexit) and agreed a proper deal and then submit article 50. This mess is a tory russian mess.

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#627670 - 25/09/19 12:25 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
It was a bad deal cause Theresa decided to go off on her own and not involve anybody. The brexiters want a no deal(despite campaigning and lying about second referendums and easy deals) and the opposition didn't want her deal cause they were left out of it and don't trust the tories anyway. Illegal referendum, would have had to be re-run if it was a legally binding vote ,because of cheating in the leave campaign. A putin inspired democratic coup it was, supported by russian money accepting liars and cheats, that is destroying your country.

The tories are a joke and you needed real adults to pull out of the EU, people that would have gotten everyone together and sorted out N.ireland (which was stupidly ignored and is the real problem with brexit) and agreed a proper deal and then submit article 50. This mess is a tory russian mess.


Yet again, no specifics of why the deal was bad. Unless you call the others being left out a good reason which is nuts!

As for the rest of that post. Oh dear.

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#627671 - 25/09/19 12:30 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EMP]
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British parliament, our courts and our speaker have descended into farce

We are a banana republic

Maybe we should adopt the stormont parliament model who have not sat for 3 years because they are at one another's throats. We could not be any worse right now
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#627672 - 25/09/19 01:05 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
British parliament, our courts and our speaker have descended into farce

We are a banana republic

Maybe we should adopt the stormont parliament model who have not sat for 3 years because they are at one another's throats. We could not be any worse right now


they have not sat because the DUP stole loads of money and don't want to account for it.

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#627673 - 25/09/19 01:06 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
It was a bad deal cause Theresa decided to go off on her own and not involve anybody. The brexiters want a no deal(despite campaigning and lying about second referendums and easy deals) and the opposition didn't want her deal cause they were left out of it and don't trust the tories anyway. Illegal referendum, would have had to be re-run if it was a legally binding vote ,because of cheating in the leave campaign. A putin inspired democratic coup it was, supported by russian money accepting liars and cheats, that is destroying your country.

The tories are a joke and you needed real adults to pull out of the EU, people that would have gotten everyone together and sorted out N.ireland (which was stupidly ignored and is the real problem with brexit) and agreed a proper deal and then submit article 50. This mess is a tory russian mess.


For demented rants you can't beat emp. Re the binding legality of a referendum I think that applies to all referendums including the one we had in 1975 parliament (which is sovereign has power to reject the result) however for the 2016 referendum and for all referendums to date to chose not to do that. Leaving the EU is still the default position and it's law
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#627676 - 25/09/19 01:29 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
British parliament, our courts and our speaker have descended into farce

We are a banana republic

Maybe we should adopt the stormont parliament model who have not sat for 3 years because they are at one another's throats. We could not be any worse right now


May be something to do with the fact that the supposedly impartial british government was dependent on the DUP. That always makes impartiality tricky.

And Bojo has just been put in his place by your Supreme Court for trying to close down your parliament.

#they aren't racists they're just characters.

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#627677 - 25/09/19 01:52 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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So what's your analysis of the political situation ? And what would be your course of action given you seem to know so much ?
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#627679 - 25/09/19 02:05 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
So what's your analysis of the political situation ? And what would be your course of action given you seem to know so much ?



You voted leave, it is up to you to tell us all how we are going to be better off. I was quite happy with the way things were before the tory civil war erupted.

So are you brexit party or tory party today?

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#627681 - 25/09/19 02:17 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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however bad I am I am capable of forming an opinion I can sense the fear when you are asked to do the same.
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#627685 - 25/09/19 02:27 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
however bad I am I am capable of forming an opinion I can sense the fear when you are asked to do the same.


I think his opinion is that the best deal is to stay as is.

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#627687 - 25/09/19 03:12 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
however bad I am I am capable of forming an opinion I can sense the fear when you are asked to do the same.


"I can sense fear"

Can you also see dead people?

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#627689 - 25/09/19 03:19 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
So what's your analysis of the political situation ? And what would be your course of action given you seem to know so much ?



You voted leave, it is up to you to tell us all how we are going to be better off. I was quite happy with the way things were before the tory civil war erupted.

So are you brexit party or tory party today?

#they aren't racists they're characters


Come on shaggy. Surely you can answer him can’t you? Just like you can tell us all what was so wrong with May’s deal? You’re quick to run everything brexit down but are a bit light on any form of opinion when asked.

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#627692 - 25/09/19 04:59 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
So what's your analysis of the political situation ? And what would be your course of action given you seem to know so much ?



You voted leave, it is up to you to tell us all how we are going to be better off. I was quite happy with the way things were before the tory civil war erupted.

So are you brexit party or tory party today?

#they aren't racists they're characters


Come on shaggy. Surely you can answer him can’t you? Just like you can tell us all what was so wrong with May’s deal? You’re quick to run everything brexit down but are a bit light on any form of opinion when asked.


I had no problem with May's deal, it protected the peace process in N. Ireland and ruled out any threat of a hard border. The problem lay with your government trying to please their ERG lunatics and the fact that they had to kowtow to the whims of the DUP. That's the same DUP who rejected May's deal despite the fact that the majority in N. Ireland voted against Brexit in the referendum.

Again, here is my opinion. I have no problem with being in the EU, I don't feel oppressed because of EU laws or threatened by unelected bureaucrats (who elected Dominic Cummings?) in Brussels. I certainly don't see the EU as our enemies.

I will ask you again as it is now clear that you have become a brexiteer. Do show me the advantages we will gain from crashing out with a No Deal Brexit. You people are deteremined to leave with no deal so surely it will improve your quality of life, economic opportunity and influence as a world power etc.

It is up to you leavers to convince us remainers of the benefits we will gain from leaving with No Deal. Go on, convinvce me.

Leavers won the referendum and are now condemning remainers for not coming up with solutions to seal a withdrawal agreement. Welcome to UK politics in 2019

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#627698 - 25/09/19 06:08 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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I think shaggy is confused how elections work you don't try to convince people after the vote has taken place you do it before. Anyone who by now does not know the arguments both for and against Britain leaving the EU either has been living in a cave the last four years or has the IQ of a bluebottle
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#627699 - 25/09/19 06:13 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Are you employing foreign workers?

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#627700 - 25/09/19 06:19 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I think shaggy is confused how elections work you don't try to convince people after the vote has taken place you do it before. Anyone who by now does not know the arguments both for and against Britain leaving the EU either has been living in a cave the last four years or has the IQ of a bluebottle


It's much easier to convince people when you lie isn't it.

However it becomes tricky when you then have to deliver the lies.

£350 million per week for the NHS anyone.

Easiest trade deal in history. Any takers?

"There is no plan for No Deal because we are going to get a great deal". Bojo, your current PM and one of the main architects of the leave campaign.

By all means do keep on denying the evidence presented to you.

Quick start shouting about the IRA and will of the people etc...
Apologies, the IRA is a bit of a touchy subject for you these days.





Edited by Shaggydog (25/09/19 06:20 PM)

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#627701 - 25/09/19 06:23 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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What I said is true if you really after four years of this being in the media more or less continuously and he has to ask people why they want to leave. Then frankly you are beyond help
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#627702 - 25/09/19 06:38 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
So what's your analysis of the political situation ? And what would be your course of action given you seem to know so much ?



You voted leave, it is up to you to tell us all how we are going to be better off. I was quite happy with the way things were before the tory civil war erupted.

So are you brexit party or tory party today?

#they aren't racists they're characters


Come on shaggy. Surely you can answer him can’t you? Just like you can tell us all what was so wrong with May’s deal? You’re quick to run everything brexit down but are a bit light on any form of opinion when asked.


I had no problem with May's deal, it protected the peace process in N. Ireland and ruled out any threat of a hard border. The problem lay with your government trying to please their ERG lunatics and the fact that they had to kowtow to the whims of the DUP. That's the same DUP who rejected May's deal despite the fact that the majority in N. Ireland voted against Brexit in the referendum.

Again, here is my opinion. I have no problem with being in the EU, I don't feel oppressed because of EU laws or threatened by unelected bureaucrats (who elected Dominic Cummings?) in Brussels. I certainly don't see the EU as our enemies.

I will ask you again as it is now clear that you have become a brexiteer. Do show me the advantages we will gain from crashing out with a No Deal Brexit. You people are deteremined to leave with no deal so surely it will improve your quality of life, economic opportunity and influence as a world power etc.

It is up to you leavers to convince us remainers of the benefits we will gain from leaving with No Deal. Go on, convinvce me.

Leavers won the referendum and are now condemning remainers for not coming up with solutions to seal a withdrawal agreement. Welcome to UK politics in 2019


There wasn’t hard was it?

And I’m no leaver. But I’m a believer in upholding democratic votes. What’s the point if we don’t? Might as well be a dictatorship.

I’ve constantly said I don’t want a no deal which you seem to have conveniently forgotten to call me ‘you people’. I too have nothing against the EU per se. We could do well from a no deal by not being tied to what the EU negotiate. We can do our own deals with whoever we please or whoever will deal. It would take time obviously and there’d be hard times.

All coulds and possibles just like the downsides the media keep feeding us.

That doesn’t mean I want it but if it’s that or overturning a democratic vote then I choose no deal. We’re a democracy and to overturn this would cause more harm than good.

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#627703 - 25/09/19 08:07 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
What I said is true if you really after four years of this being in the media more or less continuously and he has to ask people why they want to leave. Then frankly you are beyond help


If after 3 years you still cannot understand that you were lied to then frankly that is your problem not mine.

You no longer even attempt to justify Brexit or explain how we will all benefit from it. Indeed you now openly admit that you want a no deal Brexit.

In the last 3 years you have changed from May's deal to No Deal and from the tories to the Brexit Party.

You have regularly condemned IRA atrocities yet you are happy to vote for the Brexit Party who have an elected member who condones IRA violence.

You have described racist members of the brexit party as characters and you fire personal abuse at anyone who dares to disagree with you hard right views.

You are a stark warning of what England could become if decent people do nothing.

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#627704 - 25/09/19 08:27 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Bojo in parliament tonight:

The best way to honour the murdered MP Jo Cox is to deliver Brexit

Jo Cox campaigned to remain.

What a vile disgusting human being. A new low, even for him.

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#627706 - 25/09/19 08:43 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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You were convinced that Jo Cox died?

The family had to stop themselves from bursting into laughter at the funeral.

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#627708 - 25/09/19 10:17 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Bojo in parliament tonight:

The best way to honour the murdered MP Jo Cox is to deliver Brexit

Jo Cox campaigned to remain.

What a vile disgusting human being. A new low, even for him.


He should resign on that alone... total piece of [oops] of a man

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#627711 - 26/09/19 02:25 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Markhutch1]
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Originally Posted By Markhutch1
You were convinced that Jo Cox died?

The family had to stop themselves from bursting into laughter at the funeral.



You went to the funeral? Lucky you.

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#627717 - 26/09/19 09:15 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Seriously if brexit is not delivered this country is going into meltdown. Anything could happen and I mean anything and remain MP,s need to take responsibility for what they are doing.
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#627719 - 26/09/19 10:02 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Seriously if brexit is not delivered this country is going into meltdown. Anything could happen and I mean anything and remain MP,s need to take responsibility for what they are doing.


Are you threatening violence?

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#627720 - 26/09/19 10:13 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Seriously if brexit is not delivered this country is going into meltdown. Anything could happen and I mean anything and remain MP,s need to take responsibility for what they are doing.


Are you threatening violence?


course he is

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#627722 - 26/09/19 10:58 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Watched most of it on tv as with the tribute months later.

The family looked as if they were watching a comedy.

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#627723 - 26/09/19 11:08 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Markhutch1]
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mark go back to ur flat earth please

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#627725 - 26/09/19 11:17 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: EMP]
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Look up the funeral and tribute on youtube.

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#627726 - 26/09/19 11:17 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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Your rants aren’t much better to be fair emp.

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#627727 - 26/09/19 11:19 AM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: wilkij1975]
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To be fair you are wrong.. if you are taking about the illegal vote that is a matter of fact.. the leave campaign already found guilty of breaking electoral law. So thats real tho u don't like it

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#627737 - 26/09/19 12:53 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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See. Nuts. Far left ramblings.

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#627738 - 26/09/19 01:48 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
See. Nuts. Far left ramblings.


See. Facts. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47755611

What you call ramblings is in fact a fact of law.

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#627756 - 26/09/19 04:27 PM Re: Bojo's proroguing of parliament was unlawful [Re: Shaggydog]
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And they’re the only ones to have ever done that I suppose?

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