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#627325 - 12/09/19 01:49 PM Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election?
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Give your answer and reasons why. It would be helpful if you also state if you voted remain or leave in the referendum and if you'd vote the same again now?

My fear is that people will vote for a party based purely on their Brexit stance, even if they wouldn't normally align themselves with that party.

We don't need any fights LOL. It's a waste of time trying to change someone else's political views. Let's focus on your own smile

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#627326 - 12/09/19 02:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I'm a remainer. I'm not going to debate the reasons or argue why, but the fact I live in another EU country should be a good indicator about things. I do, however, understand why people back in the UK may vote for Brexit. I respect that and I'm never going to try and change anyone's opinions.

That out of the way ... if there is no new referendum and it's purely about voting for a party that could secure remain, I guess the Lib Dems would be the obvious choice but can they *really* secure such a majority? That could be a risky vote.

The next option would be Labour who are suggesting a new referendum with a sensible leave option.

I couldn't vote Conservative as they will campaign to leave.

What a mess.

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#627330 - 12/09/19 03:43 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I voted leave and I support Tory

However however you vote I cannot envisage any circumstances where us not leaving the EU will be accepted by the public at large. I agree remain politicians could do it but the lack of trust in the political system and be irreparable. I believe our country would be ungovernable and our relationship within the EU would not be sustainable. We were an unwilling member before the referendum if the political class refuse to let us leave then we are going to be very difficult for the EU to manage.

Something I think the EU recognise and they would not want us on that basis. Remember we have never democractically voted to join the EU we were forced into it by john major

We should leave the EU and if it's as bad as remainers say then have another referendum to rejoin. That is the only way.

In terms of voting I live in a massive labour area voting Tory is a wasted vote. However the Tories are gaining to what they were and the brexit party could oust labour. That's Party brexit, partly how dire Corbyn and the Labour Party currently are
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#627369 - 14/09/19 09:38 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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The Political establishment parties are broken on both sides of The Atlantic and they're now fracturing in a lot of the EU Countries and around The World. Ordinary folks are waking up to the fact that the once held belief that they lived in democratic societies, that their vote mattered is all a sham. Populism is rising because people don't like to be told what's best for them and they certainly don't like the thought of more and more Government control, especially unelected bureaucracies and totalitarian regimes like the EU. The ultimate goal of these regimes is a one world government and when or if it happens, nobody will have a voice or choice.

Having a difference in opinion to these regimes is being bastar.dized, and folks are being labelled all manner of awful discriminatory names.
Institutional racism / systemic racism is rife at the moment and is being used to manipulate peoples' opinion by these regimes, aided and abetted by the media and now social media which is monopolized and manipulated by tech giants like Google, Facebook etc... The UK has been manipulated for decades by (an unelected, monopolized bureaucracy) the BBC.

I don't believe any of the current establishment political parties have a chance to continue in their current forms because more and more people don't trust them. That's why the likes of The Brexit Party will gain more and more traction, but I believe people will want to follow a strong "UN"establishment person rather than a collective/group because the collective can't be trusted.

I don't trust BoJo and Corbyn is a farce, the UK must sever it's ties to the EU and stand on it's own. It needs to have the ability to decide and elect politicians judged on the merits of what they do for the Country and it's people.

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#627385 - 14/09/19 01:55 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I voted remain and conservative. Not sure who Iíd vote for next time as theyíre all a bunch of turds.

Will probably go Tory again as we must get out of Europe after the vote to do so but donít like BoJo. But he canít be any worse than old man Steptoe who is just a joke and he and his cronies will do worse things to this country than any brexit will.

Ultimately Iím not going to align to any one party out of some sort of loyalty or because my area is. Iíll vote based on who I think will best take us forward.

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#627401 - 15/09/19 02:02 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
The Political establishment parties are broken on both sides of The Atlantic and they're now fracturing in a lot of the EU Countries and around The World. Ordinary folks are waking up to the fact that the once held belief that they lived in democratic societies, that their vote mattered is all a sham. Populism is rising because people don't like to be told what's best for them and they certainly don't like the thought of more and more Government control, especially unelected bureaucracies and totalitarian regimes like the EU. The ultimate goal of these regimes is a one world government and when or if it happens, nobody will have a voice or choice.

Having a difference in opinion to these regimes is being bastar.dized, and folks are being labelled all manner of awful discriminatory names.
Institutional racism / systemic racism is rife at the moment and is being used to manipulate peoples' opinion by these regimes, aided and abetted by the media and now social media which is monopolized and manipulated by tech giants like Google, Facebook etc... The UK has been manipulated for decades by (an unelected, monopolized bureaucracy) the BBC.

I don't believe any of the current establishment political parties have a chance to continue in their current forms because more and more people don't trust them. That's why the likes of The Brexit Party will gain more and more traction, but I believe people will want to follow a strong "UN"establishment person rather than a collective/group because the collective can't be trusted.

I don't trust BoJo and Corbyn is a farce, the UK must sever it's ties to the EU and stand on it's own. It needs to have the ability to decide and elect politicians judged on the merits of what they do for the Country and it's people.




Can you please explain how the EU is totalitarian, I seriously don't understand what you mean? There are European elections where MEPs are elected and the commission is chosen by the elected leaders of the different EU countries. Yes, it's not like presidential elections, but even the US president is not elected directly by voters as well as the PM of UK who is elected by members of their parties. So what do you mean?

I do agree with you though that most parties have more or less similar economic agendas, mainly because pure socialism has been a bit of a flop and because capitalism is a more productive system. The change which is happening is what's called populism which is promising a change towards nationalism but it doesn't propose any new economic agendas, but it is strong as it has a uniting message. What has Italy achieved with their nationalist government, has the lives of the Italians improved?

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#627403 - 15/09/19 04:59 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Vish the commission might be voted in by the leaders of the countries but there is only one candidate put forward. The MEP,s don't make the laws they vote on them but have little influence as individuals as their vote is so diluted

The commission is all powerful and is entirely undemocratic those put forward will be elected as there is only one candidate
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#627404 - 15/09/19 05:17 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish the commission might be voted in by the leaders of the countries but there is only one candidate put forward. The MEP,s don't make the laws they vote on them but have little influence as individuals as their vote is so diluted

The commission is all powerful and is entirely undemocratic those put forward will be elected as there is only one candidate


The commission is equivalent to your cabinet which is chosen by your PM only, there is no vote. They are not the most powerful as it is the leaders of the different countries who choose them and it's normal as the leaders are elected. In addition, a lot of their decisions need unanimous agreement by the 28 countries, like the Brexit agreement or trade deals. You can say that they are not elected as are your ministers, however, the US administration is also chosen by the president. Saying it's totalitarian is laughable as they only have administrative power, while power of decision is either with country leaders and/or MEPs. Do you really think any country leader will give away his powers to people he/she has put forward to get chosen?

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#627409 - 16/09/19 11:26 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that
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#627410 - 16/09/19 12:14 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Well the Lib Demís are definitely out for me after their announcement yesterday. The arrogance to cancel brexit without asking us again is breathtaking.

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