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#627325 - 12/09/19 01:49 PM Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election?
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Give your answer and reasons why. It would be helpful if you also state if you voted remain or leave in the referendum and if you'd vote the same again now?

My fear is that people will vote for a party based purely on their Brexit stance, even if they wouldn't normally align themselves with that party.

We don't need any fights LOL. It's a waste of time trying to change someone else's political views. Let's focus on your own smile

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#627326 - 12/09/19 02:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I'm a remainer. I'm not going to debate the reasons or argue why, but the fact I live in another EU country should be a good indicator about things. I do, however, understand why people back in the UK may vote for Brexit. I respect that and I'm never going to try and change anyone's opinions.

That out of the way ... if there is no new referendum and it's purely about voting for a party that could secure remain, I guess the Lib Dems would be the obvious choice but can they *really* secure such a majority? That could be a risky vote.

The next option would be Labour who are suggesting a new referendum with a sensible leave option.

I couldn't vote Conservative as they will campaign to leave.

What a mess.

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#627330 - 12/09/19 03:43 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I voted leave and I support Tory

However however you vote I cannot envisage any circumstances where us not leaving the EU will be accepted by the public at large. I agree remain politicians could do it but the lack of trust in the political system and be irreparable. I believe our country would be ungovernable and our relationship within the EU would not be sustainable. We were an unwilling member before the referendum if the political class refuse to let us leave then we are going to be very difficult for the EU to manage.

Something I think the EU recognise and they would not want us on that basis. Remember we have never democractically voted to join the EU we were forced into it by john major

We should leave the EU and if it's as bad as remainers say then have another referendum to rejoin. That is the only way.

In terms of voting I live in a massive labour area voting Tory is a wasted vote. However the Tories are gaining to what they were and the brexit party could oust labour. That's Party brexit, partly how dire Corbyn and the Labour Party currently are
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#627369 - 14/09/19 09:38 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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The Political establishment parties are broken on both sides of The Atlantic and they're now fracturing in a lot of the EU Countries and around The World. Ordinary folks are waking up to the fact that the once held belief that they lived in democratic societies, that their vote mattered is all a sham. Populism is rising because people don't like to be told what's best for them and they certainly don't like the thought of more and more Government control, especially unelected bureaucracies and totalitarian regimes like the EU. The ultimate goal of these regimes is a one world government and when or if it happens, nobody will have a voice or choice.

Having a difference in opinion to these regimes is being bastar.dized, and folks are being labelled all manner of awful discriminatory names.
Institutional racism / systemic racism is rife at the moment and is being used to manipulate peoples' opinion by these regimes, aided and abetted by the media and now social media which is monopolized and manipulated by tech giants like Google, Facebook etc... The UK has been manipulated for decades by (an unelected, monopolized bureaucracy) the BBC.

I don't believe any of the current establishment political parties have a chance to continue in their current forms because more and more people don't trust them. That's why the likes of The Brexit Party will gain more and more traction, but I believe people will want to follow a strong "UN"establishment person rather than a collective/group because the collective can't be trusted.

I don't trust BoJo and Corbyn is a farce, the UK must sever it's ties to the EU and stand on it's own. It needs to have the ability to decide and elect politicians judged on the merits of what they do for the Country and it's people.

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#627385 - 14/09/19 01:55 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I voted remain and conservative. Not sure who I’d vote for next time as they’re all a bunch of turds.

Will probably go Tory again as we must get out of Europe after the vote to do so but don’t like BoJo. But he can’t be any worse than old man Steptoe who is just a joke and he and his cronies will do worse things to this country than any brexit will.

Ultimately I’m not going to align to any one party out of some sort of loyalty or because my area is. I’ll vote based on who I think will best take us forward.

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#627401 - 15/09/19 02:02 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
The Political establishment parties are broken on both sides of The Atlantic and they're now fracturing in a lot of the EU Countries and around The World. Ordinary folks are waking up to the fact that the once held belief that they lived in democratic societies, that their vote mattered is all a sham. Populism is rising because people don't like to be told what's best for them and they certainly don't like the thought of more and more Government control, especially unelected bureaucracies and totalitarian regimes like the EU. The ultimate goal of these regimes is a one world government and when or if it happens, nobody will have a voice or choice.

Having a difference in opinion to these regimes is being bastar.dized, and folks are being labelled all manner of awful discriminatory names.
Institutional racism / systemic racism is rife at the moment and is being used to manipulate peoples' opinion by these regimes, aided and abetted by the media and now social media which is monopolized and manipulated by tech giants like Google, Facebook etc... The UK has been manipulated for decades by (an unelected, monopolized bureaucracy) the BBC.

I don't believe any of the current establishment political parties have a chance to continue in their current forms because more and more people don't trust them. That's why the likes of The Brexit Party will gain more and more traction, but I believe people will want to follow a strong "UN"establishment person rather than a collective/group because the collective can't be trusted.

I don't trust BoJo and Corbyn is a farce, the UK must sever it's ties to the EU and stand on it's own. It needs to have the ability to decide and elect politicians judged on the merits of what they do for the Country and it's people.




Can you please explain how the EU is totalitarian, I seriously don't understand what you mean? There are European elections where MEPs are elected and the commission is chosen by the elected leaders of the different EU countries. Yes, it's not like presidential elections, but even the US president is not elected directly by voters as well as the PM of UK who is elected by members of their parties. So what do you mean?

I do agree with you though that most parties have more or less similar economic agendas, mainly because pure socialism has been a bit of a flop and because capitalism is a more productive system. The change which is happening is what's called populism which is promising a change towards nationalism but it doesn't propose any new economic agendas, but it is strong as it has a uniting message. What has Italy achieved with their nationalist government, has the lives of the Italians improved?

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#627403 - 15/09/19 04:59 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Vish the commission might be voted in by the leaders of the countries but there is only one candidate put forward. The MEP,s don't make the laws they vote on them but have little influence as individuals as their vote is so diluted

The commission is all powerful and is entirely undemocratic those put forward will be elected as there is only one candidate
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#627404 - 15/09/19 05:17 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish the commission might be voted in by the leaders of the countries but there is only one candidate put forward. The MEP,s don't make the laws they vote on them but have little influence as individuals as their vote is so diluted

The commission is all powerful and is entirely undemocratic those put forward will be elected as there is only one candidate


The commission is equivalent to your cabinet which is chosen by your PM only, there is no vote. They are not the most powerful as it is the leaders of the different countries who choose them and it's normal as the leaders are elected. In addition, a lot of their decisions need unanimous agreement by the 28 countries, like the Brexit agreement or trade deals. You can say that they are not elected as are your ministers, however, the US administration is also chosen by the president. Saying it's totalitarian is laughable as they only have administrative power, while power of decision is either with country leaders and/or MEPs. Do you really think any country leader will give away his powers to people he/she has put forward to get chosen?

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#627409 - 16/09/19 11:26 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that
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#627410 - 16/09/19 12:14 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Well the Lib Dem’s are definitely out for me after their announcement yesterday. The arrogance to cancel brexit without asking us again is breathtaking.

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#627411 - 16/09/19 01:37 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that


2 things there, in a number of countries the government is not elected directly by the public, for example US, France where you don't need to be an MP to be a minister. In UK and Mauritius, all ministers have to be elected as MP first and to be honest, I think this is not always good, sometimes I would prefer to have an expert economist as our finance minister for example. So saying the EU is undemocratic because of that would mean that France and the US are undemocratic as well.

Also, if the public don't know their MEP, who is to blame, the public or the EU? In any case, for a number of decisions unanimous agreement is required by the country governments, like for example trade deals or other major decisions.

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#627413 - 16/09/19 04:45 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Well the Lib Dem’s are definitely out for me after their announcement yesterday. The arrogance to cancel brexit without asking us again is breathtaking.


To be fair at least they are honest they are undemocratic. Much of the rest of parliment pretends to respect the publics verdict while behind the scenes plotting to overturn the publics vote
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#627414 - 16/09/19 04:48 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that


2 things there, in a number of countries the government is not elected directly by the public, for example US, France where you don't need to be an MP to be a minister. In UK and Mauritius, all ministers have to be elected as MP first and to be honest, I think this is not always good, sometimes I would prefer to have an expert economist as our finance minister for example. So saying the EU is undemocratic because of that would mean that France and the US are undemocratic as well.

Also, if the public don't know their MEP, who is to blame, the public or the EU? In any case, for a number of decisions unanimous agreement is required by the country governments, like for example trade deals or other major decisions.


If I said I want Mauritius to be ruled by the UK we will provide lots of benefits. I am guessing you would reject that ? Then why are you so opposed to the British people having freedom we voted to leave the EU yet you would overturn that. Don't you feel there is a degree of hypocracy there ?
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#627415 - 16/09/19 04:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that


2 things there, in a number of countries the government is not elected directly by the public, for example US, France where you don't need to be an MP to be a minister. In UK and Mauritius, all ministers have to be elected as MP first and to be honest, I think this is not always good, sometimes I would prefer to have an expert economist as our finance minister for example. So saying the EU is undemocratic because of that would mean that France and the US are undemocratic as well.

Also, if the public don't know their MEP, who is to blame, the public or the EU? In any case, for a number of decisions unanimous agreement is required by the country governments, like for example trade deals or other major decisions.


If I said I want Mauritius to be ruled by the UK we will provide lots of benefits. I am guessing you would reject that ? Then why are you so opposed to the British people having freedom we voted to leave the EU yet you would overturn that. Don't you feel there is a degree of hypocracy there ?


I would accept it if I am part of UK and I have same rights as UK citizens and a big part of the decision making process, especially if I am one of the countries having the biggest influence on decisions.

I'll give you an example, the closest island to Mauritius is an island called Reunion, in fact it's at a 30 mins flight and has a population of less than 1 million. It is a French territory (not colony) basically a part of France where they use the EURO, yes 12000kms from France. Do they feel they are ruled by France? Don't think so, because they feel they are part of it. Do you think people in Gibraltar feel they are ruled by UK or the EU? Definitely not and I don't understand why you feel that way.

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#627416 - 16/09/19 05:12 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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That's fine Vish and that's your opinion we're you a UK citizen you would be a europhile

However I have a different opinion and in the UK we vote occasionally on major matters of Democracy and we used to accept the will of the majority. I am not sure that's the case anymore. In which case one of the oldest Democracies in the world is under threat.

I agree parliament could stop brexit by plotting etc however I believe that will never be accepted by the public. Not just brexiteers either many remainers who although believing brexit will be bad for Britain understand that the public losing faith in our Democracy will cause far greater damage.
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#627417 - 16/09/19 05:14 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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No,i think the 'bad for Britain' thing is more important.
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#627418 - 16/09/19 06:05 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: lumba]
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No,i think the 'bad for Britain' thing is more important.


And who decides what is bad for Britain and define what you mean by bad. I presume you are saying all elections can be overruled by someone saying they are bad ?
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#627419 - 16/09/19 06:12 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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It was your bad for Britain,i just borrowed it.
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#627421 - 16/09/19 11:29 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Overturning results of elections is done in dictatorial Countries...is The UK now a dictatorship?

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#627422 - 17/09/19 02:20 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
Overturning results of elections is done in dictatorial Countries...is The UK now a dictatorship?



Who has overturned the results, I heard a referendum on the negotiated deal, ie, an election and recently the Lib Dems saying they will revoke article 50 only if they are elected, ie, after an election. How is that a dictatorship? If anything it's a vote should anybody have changed it's mind, if not it will be the same.

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#627424 - 17/09/19 06:55 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Well the Lib Dem’s are definitely out for me after their announcement yesterday. The arrogance to cancel brexit without asking us again is breathtaking.


To be fair at least they are honest they are undemocratic. Much of the rest of parliment pretends to respect the publics verdict while behind the scenes plotting to overturn the publics vote


Yeah I suppose. At least she got one thing right saying that neither BoJo or Steptoe are fit to be prime minister.

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#627425 - 17/09/19 12:40 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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The chance of the lib dems winning an election are zero. However they could prop a Corbyn government up. In which case brexit will be the least of our worries
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#627426 - 17/09/19 01:30 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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They’ve said they won’t be propping either labour or the Tory’s up but they also said they would back putting up tuition fees and look how that turned out.

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#627427 - 17/09/19 01:59 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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The chance of the lib dems winning an election are zero. However they could prop a Corbyn government up. In which case brexit will be the least of our worries


Jo Swinson is try hard to rally the 48% remain voters, I suppose she feels it's her only chance to win an election if at all possible. Her whole strategy is to stay, in any case she doesn't have anything to lose

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#627429 - 17/09/19 03:48 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The chance of the lib dems winning an election are zero. However they could prop a Corbyn government up. In which case brexit will be the least of our worries


Jo Swinson is try hard to rally the 48% remain voters, I suppose she feels it's her only chance to win an election if at all possible. Her whole strategy is to stay, in any case she doesn't have anything to lose


The problem is it's a zero sum game there are a fixed number of Remain voters and both labour and the lib dems are competing for them however the seat position is more complicated
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#627430 - 17/09/19 04:14 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I voted remain but won’t be voting Lib Dem’s or labour. We voted to come out so that’s what we should do.

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#627432 - 17/09/19 05:14 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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I live in an ultra safe labour seat no point in voting tory so its brexit party for me.
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#627437 - 18/09/19 12:53 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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brexit party suits ur sectarian taunting far right nonsense for sure.

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#627438 - 18/09/19 06:04 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I live in an ultra safe labour seat no point in voting tory so its brexit party for me.


Now there's a shock.

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#627439 - 18/09/19 06:21 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I know. Someone who voted to leave and still wants to voting for the brexit party!? Who’d have thunk it whistle

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#627441 - 18/09/19 06:54 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I know. Someone who voted to leave and still wants to voting for the brexit party!? Who’d have thunk it whistle


Not even a hint of hypocrisy as usual.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/pol...gue-claire-foxs

Who would have thought old stan was an IRA sympathiser.


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#627442 - 18/09/19 07:23 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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well thats the brexit party out for stan then obviously

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#627446 - 18/09/19 12:34 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Well I suppose I'd be considered relatively well off, but if I were living in the UK I'd vote Labour, as I believe in social justice and equality of opportunity for all.
On a broader level, I'd worry about the rise in neo-nationalist movements, as that will inevitably lead to trade wars, ( disguised as something else, as per usual). That by the way isn't an opinion, history shows that nationalist governments implementing trade protectionist barriers leads inevitably to war.

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#627447 - 18/09/19 01:41 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
well thats the brexit party out for stan then obviously


The brexit party has all shades of opinion which reflects the changing nature of British politics. Clair fox made some comments supporting the warrington bombers she is reviled in warrington even among hard brexiteers my personal opinion of her is she is a [oops] horrible bitch. She is hard left which puts her closer to you than me emp. However thanks for reminding me not sure who to vote for now maybe the raving looney party ? It can't be worse than the rest of British politicians
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#627448 - 18/09/19 02:08 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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No matter which party you look at they all have odious candidates, you just have to pick which party represents your best interests.

Claire Fox's previous comments have been there for a long time and for Sally Bate to now resign because she doesn't agree with them is selfish. She should have waited, for the good of the party until all this Brexit farce is over and then made her feelings known and resigned then. This smacks of a yet another political hit job to undermine the Brexit Party.

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#627449 - 18/09/19 02:20 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
No matter which party you look at they all have odious candidates, you just have to pick which party represents your best interests.

Claire Fox's previous comments have been there for a long time and for Sally Bate to now resign because she doesn't agree with them is selfish. She should have waited, for the good of the party until all this Brexit farce is over and then made her feelings known and resigned then. This smacks of a yet another political hit job to undermine the Brexit Party.



Fair comment ! if we can only vote for political parties that only had squeaky clean nice people in it then there would be no parties at all to vote for. And yes her comments were in a era when the far left were very pro IRA as were most of those currently leading the labour party
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#627458 - 18/09/19 09:08 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Happy to vote for a party that is represented by IRA Terrorist sympathizers..well well whatever next

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#627459 - 18/09/19 09:19 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
Happy to vote for a party that is represented by IRA Terrorist sympathizers..well well whatever next


Claire fox is a nasty piece of work like many on the far left they are no better than the far right they are in effect fascists they become the people the purport to hate. The guardian this week had a leader comment making fun of David Cameron's struggle with his disabled son who died aged 6. They called it privilege pain. What cruel [oops] yet the guardian is supposed to be the newspaper of choice for kind caring lefties. They are the facists. As for me I believe in democracy and I expect the biggest people's vote in British history to be implemented. If it's not then all bets are off
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#627460 - 18/09/19 10:54 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EMP
Happy to vote for a party that is represented by IRA Terrorist sympathizers..well well whatever next


Claire fox is a nasty piece of work like many on the far left they are no better than the far right they are in effect fascists they become the people the purport to hate. The guardian this week had a leader comment making fun of David Cameron's struggle with his disabled son who died aged 6. They called it privilege pain. What cruel [oops] yet the guardian is supposed to be the newspaper of choice for kind caring lefties. They are the facists. As for me I believe in democracy and I expect the biggest people's vote in British history to be implemented. If it's not then all bets are off


So you will be voting for the fascists then. After all you have just described Clare Fox of the Brexit Party in effect a fascist.

Taking back control, possibly through violence given Clare's views.

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#627461 - 19/09/19 12:16 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Seems like he would love it, join the Trump-Putin White Nationalist Dictatorship that is desending so vilely on us all.

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#627467 - 19/09/19 06:20 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
Seems like he would love it, join the Trump-Putin White Nationalist Dictatorship that is desending so vilely on us all.


No it isn’t. Just more of your far left nonsense. You’re as bad with this nonsense as those you’re deriding.

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#627471 - 19/09/19 09:23 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Clair fox is not unusual for the British far left they hate Britain and side with britains emenies including the cowardly IRA scum. We can add Corbyn and Livingstone to that list. They also side with Iran another bloodthirsty lot. They of course hate all Jews with a passion. Pretty much in the same place as emp politically.

I think Clair fox represents me in Europe at the moment as north west MEP another reason I guess to want to be out of the EU. However in a general election she is not my brexit candidate and hence I will be voting brexit party next election.
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#627475 - 19/09/19 10:09 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Clair fox is not unusual for the British far left they hate Britain and side with britains emenies including the cowardly IRA scum. We can add Corbyn and Livingstone to that list. They also side with Iran another bloodthirsty lot. They of course hate all Jews with a passion. Pretty much in the same place as emp politically.

I think Clair fox represents me in Europe at the moment as north west MEP another reason I guess to want to be out of the EU. However in a general election she is not my brexit candidate and hence I will be voting brexit party next election.


A mad rant designed to hide the fact that you are happy to vote for a party that has put forward a candidate that condones IRA atrocities.

You have taken hypocrisy to a whole new level.

But, it merely shows you for what your really are.

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#627479 - 19/09/19 01:36 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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So the only true party currently not in limbo about getting out of the EU is The Brexit Party. Stan has been crystal clear before even the vote and pretty much the moment Brexit was announced that he wanted us out of The EU...and your now stating he's a hypocrite because of one candidate's outspoken views in the past on the IRA?

Have a word with yourself...soft lad!

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#627482 - 19/09/19 03:59 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Pickles]
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So the only true party currently not in limbo about getting out of the EU is The Brexit Party. Stan has been crystal clear before even the vote and pretty much the moment Brexit was announced that he wanted us out of The EU...and your now stating he's a hypocrite because of one candidate's outspoken views in the past on the IRA?

Have a word with yourself...soft lad!


Stan stayed, you ran away to the states.

Who's the soft lad?

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#627485 - 19/09/19 05:10 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Clair fox is not unusual for the British far left they hate Britain and side with britains emenies including the cowardly IRA scum. We can add Corbyn and Livingstone to that list. They also side with Iran another bloodthirsty lot. They of course hate all Jews with a passion. Pretty much in the same place as emp politically.

I think Clair fox represents me in Europe at the moment as north west MEP another reason I guess to want to be out of the EU. However in a general election she is not my brexit candidate and hence I will be voting brexit party next election.


A mad rant designed to hide the fact that you are happy to vote for a party that has put forward a candidate that condones IRA atrocities.

You have taken hypocrisy to a whole new level.

But, it merely shows you for what your really are.



Ah the brain of Ireland has spoken.....let's say I chose to vote for the Labour Party which (unlike the brexit party) has quite a few IRA sympathisers include the leader of the Labour Party. So if I voted labour in the next election does that make me Martin mcguinness right hand man oh brainy one ?
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#627487 - 19/09/19 05:45 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Clair fox is not unusual for the British far left they hate Britain and side with britains emenies including the cowardly IRA scum. We can add Corbyn and Livingstone to that list. They also side with Iran another bloodthirsty lot. They of course hate all Jews with a passion. Pretty much in the same place as emp politically.

I think Clair fox represents me in Europe at the moment as north west MEP another reason I guess to want to be out of the EU. However in a general election she is not my brexit candidate and hence I will be voting brexit party next election.


A mad rant designed to hide the fact that you are happy to vote for a party that has put forward a candidate that condones IRA atrocities.

You have taken hypocrisy to a whole new level.

But, it merely shows you for what your really are.



Ah the brain of Ireland has spoken.....let's say I chose to vote for the Labour Party which (unlike the brexit party) has quite a few IRA sympathisers include the leader of the Labour Party. So if I voted labour in the next election does that make me Martin mcguinness right hand man oh brainy one ?


So you condemn IRA violence but can ignore it when it is condoned by a Brexit Party member.

DOUBLE STANDARDS ANYONE?

Do the views of any of these other fine members of the Brexit Party upset you or can you live with these as well.

Paul Nuttall
is a homophobe who doesn’t want school education to acknowledge that gay people exist, and says equality has gone too far.

Ann Widdecombe
is extremely against homosexuality. She has voted consistently against pro-LGBT legislation and opposed same-sex marriage, and even voiced support for gay conversion therapy. She has spoken out against transgender people. She has been quoted and filmed referred to gay relationships as “disgusting”and “wrongful

Catherine Blaiklock
The Brexit Party’s original leader and walking face-palm,(who is actually still listed as a director of the party), resigned amidst controversy for writing numerous anti-Islam Twitter messages (portraying Muslims as rapists), complaining of seeing people of different races minding their own business in public, and retweeting far-right messages (by Tommy Robinson, a neo-Nazi linked to the KKK called Mark Collett, and Joe Walsh)

Lance Forman (Lance Anisfield)
has freely admitted that Brexit will be a catastrophe, although he chirpily expects to be a winner among the losers, expecting his business to benefit

Alka Sehgal Cuthbert
Her politics are consistently about allowing people to be freely racist, sexist and homophobic, while trying to pseudo-intellectualise these sentiments.
She has written extensively about being an opponent of decolonialisation and complaining about the removal of statues of famous racists from public places

Michael McGough
was the former Brexit Party treasurer (and is still listed as a director), but was fired for calling Grenfell Tower survivors “illegal aliens enjoying an amnesty” and making anti-semitic jibes about the Miliband family. He also wrote homophobic posts about ‘shirt-lifters’, and Islamophobic posts on social media.

David Coburn.
Despite being gay, he thinks gay marriage should be banned. He was leader of UKIP Scotland, and referred to the SNP as a “pestilence”, and has a history of sexism towards female SNP candidates, and making terrorism jibes about Asian SNP candidates.

Andrew Allison
is head of campaigns at The Freedom Association, an anti-trade union pressure group with links to the Tory Party and UKIP, which once campaigned against sporting sanctions against apartheid-era South Africa, and were sore about the BBC broadcasting “anti-apartheid propaganda”. Interestingly, he doesn’t seem to be too fond of his own party’s leader. He previously referred to Farage as a ‘dictator’ and ‘out-and-out [oops]’ in a Tweet.

Given that you have no problem voting for a party that has a member who condones murder I doubt it. But miracles do happen.

You are just a bitter old racist.

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#627488 - 19/09/19 05:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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#627489 - 19/09/19 06:10 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: lumba]
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I could write a list of dodgy characters in the Labour Party and I would like to bet sein fein and the DUP are not all squeaky clean either. Neither are the Tories or lib dems perfect either. The brexit party might have a few characters but it's probably britains fastest growing party as a direct result of the failure of mainstream politics in Britain which has never been further away from the people
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#627491 - 19/09/19 06:16 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Has there ever been any other way?
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#627497 - 19/09/19 06:46 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: lumba]
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Originally Posted By lumba
Has there ever been any other way?


I take your point but things are going to another level not just in Britain but the USA and EU. If Britain does not leave the EU then extreme parties will come to power in Britain I think that's a certainty you can already see it happening now. Shaggy does not like the brexit party but clearly plenty do and we have to ask why ?
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#627498 - 19/09/19 07:25 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I could write a list of dodgy characters in the Labour Party and I would like to bet sein fein and the DUP are not all squeaky clean either. Neither are the Tories or lib dems perfect either. The brexit party might have a few characters but it's probably britains fastest growing party as a direct result of the failure of mainstream politics in Britain which has never been further away from the people


"The brexit party might have a few characters"


You mean racists, islamophobes, homophobes, apologists for murderers etc...


Very strange definition of character.


Edited by Shaggydog (19/09/19 07:25 PM)

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#627499 - 19/09/19 07:26 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By lumba
Has there ever been any other way?


I take your point but things are going to another level not just in Britain but the USA and EU. If Britain does not leave the EU then extreme parties will come to power in Britain I think that's a certainty you can already see it happening now. Shaggy does not like the brexit party but clearly plenty do and we have to ask why ?


I don't like racists, homophobes, islamophobes, you know, what you refer to as characters.

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#627500 - 19/09/19 07:40 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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If we don't deliver brexit our Irish brainbox really won't like the parties coming to power in Britain neither will I for that matter but that's what happens when the people feel the system and mainstream parties don't represent them. We are not at that point yet but perilously close to it
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#627501 - 19/09/19 07:49 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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The controlled opposition characters who get paid by MI5?

I dont like them either.

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#627504 - 19/09/19 08:52 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
If we don't deliver brexit our Irish brainbox really won't like the parties coming to power in Britain neither will I for that matter but that's what happens when the people feel the system and mainstream parties don't represent them. We are not at that point yet but perilously close to it


I think the parties coming to power in the UK will be right up your street. In fact you will have helped to elect them.

# they aren't racists their characters.

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#627506 - 20/09/19 06:45 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I feel that this Brexit thing is like a religion with strong believers that wont change their minds unless they see reality. It's true on the other side as well with few moderates. The biggest harm is the way the people are divided down to family levels. I really think that the best think for UK is a no deal Brexit which the purists call clean Brexit. Then give it a few years and re-run a referendum if people want to have one, I am sure they will because they will be unhappy and not mainly because of Brexit. I understand there are risks but I think they are less than the on going divide

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#627516 - 21/09/19 08:41 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
If we don't deliver brexit our Irish brainbox really won't like the parties coming to power in Britain neither will I for that matter but that's what happens when the people feel the system and mainstream parties don't represent them. We are not at that point yet but perilously close to it


Going by what happened last night it looks like the far left of the Labour Party are trying to take over completely. I know that would suit a few comrades on here but they’re not for the many just like no extreme end of the spectrum is.

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#627517 - 21/09/19 01:34 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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I see the latest lunacy coming out of the Labour Party is bringing back clause four which is basically the communism of Lenin and Marx of the early nineteenth century. So be it if you are going to be bonkers might as well go the whole hog.

If there was a general election I think the Tories would be in the majority small majority probably with labour much lower and the labour votes going to the lib dems. The brexit party will probably pick up a few seats too and become the deal maker like the DUP was.

I may be wrong but that's my assessment. The Labour Party is in big trouble it may appeal to a few kranks but for the general public is drifting further apart. Almost all my friends are labour voters but I would say at least half are in dispair at the party and won't vote for them the way they are at the moment
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#627523 - 21/09/19 03:40 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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the tories are literally tearing the uk apart , might well destroy the actual country ..no more uk ....the state of the people they pick to lead, a clown two faced pro eu leader pretending to be a brexiter for his smirky ambition and before that probably the worst leader ever, every decision theresa made was a complete disaster. and lets be honest stan the tory party doesn't even exist anymore..its two parties in one.who u actually voting for?

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#627524 - 21/09/19 04:14 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Oh dear.

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#627525 - 21/09/19 06:32 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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the tories are literally tearing the uk apart , might well destroy the actual country ..no more uk ....the state of the people they pick to lead, a clown two faced pro eu leader pretending to be a brexiter for his smirky ambition and before that probably the worst leader ever, every decision theresa made was a complete disaster. and lets be honest stan the tory party doesn't even exist anymore..its two parties in one.who u actually voting for?


Strong and stable emp, strong and stable grin

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#627526 - 21/09/19 11:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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yeah vote tory "we break everything"

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#627528 - 22/09/19 09:33 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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In case you haven’t noticed, they’re all breaking everything.

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#627530 - 22/09/19 11:45 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Whoever we vote for the politicians ignore it. If they overturn the biggest democractic vote in history (which they look to be doing) millions will feel it's pointless voting. And the already low turnouts will be even lower. Which opens the door to extremist politics coming into Britain. Ask anyone today about our politicians and ask them do they feel represented ? I think you will get the same answer. I know trust has never been great but in Britain we seem to be heading to another universe. It's not just about brexit as well I look at the Labour Party a once great mainstream political party now descending into chaos. Why is this ? It's being pulled apart by internal factions as we saw with the tom Watson spat and probably more to follow. The Tories are not strong either add to brexit and this is a very toxic mix
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#627561 - 23/09/19 04:50 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Good to see we’ll all be on 4 day weeks when the commies get in. Not sure how that works for businesses but let’s not sweat on the details hey?

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#627564 - 23/09/19 10:12 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Good to see we’ll all be on 4 day weeks when the commies get in. Not sure how that works for businesses but let’s not sweat on the details hey?


With luck emp will come on and explain it to us
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#627565 - 23/09/19 10:18 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Good to see we’ll all be on 4 day weeks when the commies get in. Not sure how that works for businesses but let’s not sweat on the details hey?


With luck emp will come on and explain it to us


You can kill the time until emp,arrives by outlining the Brexit party's policies to make Britain great again after they get their no deal Brexit.

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#627566 - 23/09/19 10:22 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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once we leave the EU it will be up to the British government I think we will do very well provided we elect sensible governments I am not wasting my time explaining anything to you from bitter experience I know you are incapable of understanding anything other than slogans
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#627567 - 23/09/19 10:55 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Good to see we’ll all be on 4 day weeks when the commies get in. Not sure how that works for businesses but let’s not sweat on the details hey?


With luck emp will come on and explain it to us



"F**k Business" - UK PM

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#627572 - 24/09/19 01:43 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Tho he also gives public money to women he cheats on his wife with..happy with that kinda stuff yeah?

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#627574 - 24/09/19 06:09 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Good to see we’ll all be on 4 day weeks when the commies get in. Not sure how that works for businesses but let’s not sweat on the details hey?


With luck emp will come on and explain it to us


You can kill the time until emp,arrives by outlining the Brexit party's policies to make Britain great again after they get their no deal Brexit.


Well killing small and medium businesses with a 4 day week ain’t going to make Britain great again is it?

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#627575 - 24/09/19 06:17 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Just seen the farce that was that vote at the Labour conference. What a shambles and no surprise they’re on the fence again. Just shows that we’ve no choice in any election. They’re all a proper shambles.

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#627580 - 24/09/19 09:30 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Good to see we’ll all be on 4 day weeks when the commies get in. Not sure how that works for businesses but let’s not sweat on the details hey?


With luck emp will come on and explain it to us


You can kill the time until emp,arrives by outlining the Brexit party's policies to make Britain great again after they get their no deal Brexit.


Well killing small and medium businesses with a 4 day week ain’t going to make Britain great again is it?


and a no deal brexit will be very helpful to business.

But as emp put it in the words of your current PM F**K Business


Edited by Shaggydog (24/09/19 09:31 AM)

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#627581 - 24/09/19 09:34 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
once we leave the EU it will be up to the British government I think we will do very well provided we elect sensible governments I am not wasting my time explaining anything to you from bitter experience I know you are incapable of understanding anything other than slogans


You were asked about the brexit party and you completely avoid the question and revert to personal abuse as usual. No answers as usual.

~ they aren't racists they're characters.

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#627585 - 24/09/19 12:44 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Prorogation unlawful, Bojo wants to try anything to win the election even if it's unlawful. The farce is getting bigger and bigger

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#627674 - 25/09/19 01:19 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Prorogation unlawful, Bojo wants to try anything to win the election even if it's unlawful. The farce is getting bigger and bigger


Legal technicality but it was void not unlawful it would be unlawful if boris took exactly the same action again. The courts interpretated the law and came to a precendent decision which will impact interpretation of the law going forward. Boris did not break the law

Please offer a correction
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#627675 - 25/09/19 01:23 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Prorogation unlawful, Bojo wants to try anything to win the election even if it's unlawful. The farce is getting bigger and bigger


Legal technicality but it was void not unlawful it would be unlawful if boris took exactly the same action again. The courts interpretated the law and came to a precendent decision which will impact interpretation of the law going forward. Boris did not break the law

Please offer a correction


Keep clutching at those straws.

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#627678 - 25/09/19 01:53 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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My question was aimed at Vish. There is no way in the world you could answer a question like that
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#627680 - 25/09/19 02:07 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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My question was aimed at Vish. There is no way in the world you could answer a question like that


Oh that is so hurtful.

Please offer an apology.

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#627682 - 25/09/19 02:18 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Prorogation unlawful, Bojo wants to try anything to win the election even if it's unlawful. The farce is getting bigger and bigger


Legal technicality but it was void not unlawful it would be unlawful if boris took exactly the same action again. The courts interpretated the law and came to a precendent decision which will impact interpretation of the law going forward. Boris did not break the law

Please offer a correction


This is what I read was said by the supreme court, I didn't make it up, I won't dare.

"This court has … concluded that the prime minister’s advice to Her Majesty [ to suspend parliament] was unlawful, void and of no effect. This means that the order in council to which it led was also unlawful, void and of no effect should be quashed"

Can I consider the correction offered?


Edited by EnergisedReds (25/09/19 02:18 PM)

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#627683 - 25/09/19 02:21 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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They declared it void which means it has no legal effect it can only be unlawful if it was repeated as the interpretation of the law was created at that point. It's also constitutional law not criminal law happy to be proved wrong
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#627684 - 25/09/19 02:25 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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They declared it void which means it has no legal effect it can only be unlawful if it was repeated as the interpretation of the law was created at that point. It's also constitutional law not criminal law happy to be proved wrong


Did they say it was unlawful as well or not? If it was criminal law Boris would have had to be bailed out, not sure what your point is.

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#627690 - 25/09/19 04:12 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it
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#627694 - 25/09/19 05:07 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it


They didn't create a new law, they just gave the interpretation of the law which also creates precedence. So the act was unlawful, whether Bojo did it in good faith or not is another matter.

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#627697 - 25/09/19 05:57 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it


They didn't create a new law, they just gave the interpretation of the law which also creates precedence. So the act was unlawful, whether Bojo did it in good faith or not is another matter.


Aspects of their judgement did change the structure of the law. The legal relationship between the queen and the prime minster is now changed. Johnson consulted the attorney general every other prime minister in history would have done no more. You are right the judges did make a new precendent that's why it could not be illegal prior to that point only after and at the point of their judgement
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#627712 - 26/09/19 02:31 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
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Vish it was unlawful at and from that point the judges made a new law and interpretation.

Prior to the judges decision Johnson had the advice of the attorney general (this has been sufficient for generations) it also was upheld by the English court

So Johnson is hardly the master criminal although no doubt shaggy with the IQ of a bluebottle would claim it


They didn't create a new law, they just gave the interpretation of the law which also creates precedence. So the act was unlawful, whether Bojo did it in good faith or not is another matter.


Aspects of their judgement did change the structure of the law. The legal relationship between the queen and the prime minster is now changed. Johnson consulted the attorney general every other prime minister in history would have done no more. You are right the judges did make a new precendent that's why it could not be illegal prior to that point only after and at the point of their judgement


They said in their judgement that it was unlawful isn't it? Not knowing or not understanding the law doesn't mean you can break it. I agree though that Bojo didn't know he was breaking the law, poor fellow.

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#627716 - 26/09/19 09:10 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.
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#627730 - 26/09/19 11:54 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.


Well, if you believe that so many people in respectable institutions are impartial, then you will have a major problem living in UK. To have all the 11 judges to be impartial would be quite something you know.

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#627745 - 26/09/19 02:49 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.


Well, if you believe that so many people in respectable institutions are impartial, then you will have a major problem living in UK. To have all the 11 judges to be impartial would be quite something you know.


What's going on in Britain right now is unbelievable 11 biased judges would surprise me not one bit. Never thought I would say that. Where it will end not sure it's getting very dangerous
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#627746 - 26/09/19 03:02 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.


Well, if you believe that so many people in respectable institutions are impartial, then you will have a major problem living in UK. To have all the 11 judges to be impartial would be quite something you know.


What's going on in Britain right now is unbelievable 11 biased judges would surprise me not one bit. Never thought I would say that. Where it will end not sure it's getting very dangerous


I don't think you are rational, problem is u think there are lot like you in UK and as you say, big chance that things won't end well.

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#627748 - 26/09/19 03:28 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish as I keep saying it was unlawful at that point and hence void. I don't fully understand the legal complexities but a constitutional lawyer did say on TV the judges had effectively changed the law in order to make judgement. What Johnson did would have been legal up to that point and it's not just this bercow has made changes to our parliamentary procedure centuries of process have been ripped up. And all this to stop us leaving the EU. My personal opinion is the judges are not impartial. I was at hillsborough and remember what the judges said about that ? Decades later it was found to be a pack of lies. Judges are human beings Vish they have their personal views just like we do.


Well, if you believe that so many people in respectable institutions are impartial, then you will have a major problem living in UK. To have all the 11 judges to be impartial would be quite something you know.


What's going on in Britain right now is unbelievable 11 biased judges would surprise me not one bit. Never thought I would say that. Where it will end not sure it's getting very dangerous


Oh dear.

More conspiracy nonsense.

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#627750 - 26/09/19 03:39 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Vish you said am I getting rational ?

Probably not ! I like millions are losing faith in the institutions that have bound Britain for centuries. We used to be thought of as a model of democracy

We are now an international laughing stock due to our corrupt parliament and courts

How can anyone be rational when this is happening ?
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#627754 - 26/09/19 04:20 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Vish you said am I getting rational ?

Probably not ! I like millions are losing faith in the institutions that have bound Britain for centuries. We used to be thought of as a model of democracy

We are now an international laughing stock due to our corrupt parliament and courts

How can anyone be rational when this is happening ?


Seriously? You are completely irrational, who according to you are corrupting your judges and MPs, Barnier, Merkel, Macron, who?

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#627763 - 26/09/19 06:30 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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The Queens Council system is corrupt as are the courts by implication, by:

instituting the fraudulent relationship between the Crown Corporation and the citizen.

By virtue of your birth certificate they own your public identity and you have agreed to pay taxes to the Crown as long as you live.

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#627768 - 26/09/19 07:46 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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#627832 - 29/09/19 02:37 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish you said am I getting rational ?

Probably not ! I like millions are losing faith in the institutions that have bound Britain for centuries. We used to be thought of as a model of democracy

We are now an international laughing stock due to our corrupt parliament and courts

How can anyone be rational when this is happening ?


Seriously? You are completely irrational, who according to you are corrupting your judges and MPs, Barnier, Merkel, Macron, who?


Speaker bercow is completely corrupt in terms of how he manages parliament in my opinion and many others. There is also news in the press today that the Benn surrender bill may have been formed primary legislation with collusion of foreign power rumoured to be France. There is a government probe. I also believe our courts are politically motivated and always have been any Liverpool supporter should know that for obvious reasons
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#627834 - 29/09/19 03:10 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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#627837 - 29/09/19 04:07 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish you said am I getting rational ?

Probably not ! I like millions are losing faith in the institutions that have bound Britain for centuries. We used to be thought of as a model of democracy

We are now an international laughing stock due to our corrupt parliament and courts

How can anyone be rational when this is happening ?


Seriously? You are completely irrational, who according to you are corrupting your judges and MPs, Barnier, Merkel, Macron, who?


Speaker bercow is completely corrupt in terms of how he manages parliament in my opinion and many others. There is also news in the press today that the Benn surrender bill may have been formed primary legislation with collusion of foreign power rumoured to be France. There is a government probe. I also believe our courts are politically motivated and always have been any Liverpool supporter should know that for obvious reasons


Jaysus the conspiracy is growing. The speaker of the house, France, the Labour Party, the judicary, the courts. Anyone who doesn't agree with your hard right, no deal Brexit agenda basically.

I think you may have trust issues.
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#627847 - 30/09/19 02:22 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish you said am I getting rational ?

Probably not ! I like millions are losing faith in the institutions that have bound Britain for centuries. We used to be thought of as a model of democracy

We are now an international laughing stock due to our corrupt parliament and courts

How can anyone be rational when this is happening ?


Seriously? You are completely irrational, who according to you are corrupting your judges and MPs, Barnier, Merkel, Macron, who?


Speaker bercow is completely corrupt in terms of how he manages parliament in my opinion and many others. There is also news in the press today that the Benn surrender bill may have been formed primary legislation with collusion of foreign power rumoured to be France. There is a government probe. I also believe our courts are politically motivated and always have been any Liverpool supporter should know that for obvious reasons


So, who is paying Bercow if he is corrupt, the EU? Stop talking nonsense. As I said before, with that kind of thought your country will stay divided for a very long time.

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#627859 - 30/09/19 06:08 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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bercows job is to be impartial so the public can have faith in our parliament he has failed at that basic task. He is corrupt as our our courts which are overtly political

If the Tories get elected into power when labour finally allow an election expect big changes to both

By the way labour are forecast to lose over 100 seats no wonder they won't allow an election
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#627860 - 30/09/19 07:05 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
bercows job is to be impartial so the public can have faith in our parliament he has failed at that basic task. He is corrupt as our our courts which are overtly political

If the Tories get elected into power when labour finally allow an election expect big changes to both

By the way labour are forecast to lose over 100 seats no wonder they won't allow an election


Everyone who doesn't want a no deal Brexit is now corrupt or involved in a conspiracy. English politics is in a very dark and dangerous place. Volatile language being driven by your own PM claiming surrender betrayal and collusion is now in common use. I just hope this doesn't result in tragedy.

May had a 21 point lead before the last election. That worked out well for her didn't it.

Besides are you not a full fledged Brexit Party fanboy now?

Please tell us you haven't switched again. Where are you now. Leave means leave, sort of, maybe, in a wee while. Is it May's deal, no deal, I can't believe it's not May's deal? Surely you have made your mind up by now.

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#627861 - 30/09/19 08:18 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Is that the sort of language also used by the likes of John Mcdonnell? You know like when talking about opponents by saying they’re a stain on humanity? Like when he said Esther McVey should be lynched or the classic go back in time to assassinate Maggie Thatcher? What about the TUC secretary saying that BoJo surrendered to the brexit party? No outrage here?

Yeah, Boris Johnson invented volatile language in politicians didn’t he?

They’re all as bad as each other in that respect.

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#627862 - 30/09/19 09:34 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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In Manchester on the motorway bridge coming in labour have hung effigies of hung Tories and this is not the first time they have done this. The Tory conference is currently in Manchester and this is the welcome they have for the members coming in to Manchester from around the country

And I will rarely agree with shaggy but on this point I do people are going to be killed in this before long. This has to stop Britain voted to leave the EU and it has to be respected

If they go down the road of bercow going to Brussels with a view to eventually making us vote again then I really do fear what will happen in Britain
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#627863 - 30/09/19 11:28 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I see BoJo's long awaited solution to the Irish border problem has gone down like a lead balloon.

Rejected by the Irish Government the SDLP and Sinn Fein.

Customs Posts on both sides of the border. I don't think so.

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#627864 - 30/09/19 11:57 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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No point when anybody from Eastern Europe can fly in.


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#627867 - 01/10/19 06:43 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
I see BoJo's long awaited solution to the Irish border problem has gone down like a lead balloon.

Rejected by the Irish Government the SDLP and Sinn Fein.

Customs Posts on both sides of the border. I don't think so.







Why would anyone vote for anything he comes up with? They won’t no matter what he brings in because it’s BoJo. People are more bothered about who he is than what he can bring (not saying his solution is workable but even if it was it’d be voted down).

No condemnation of Labours volatile language I see??


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#627868 - 01/10/19 06:43 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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In Manchester on the motorway bridge coming in labour have hung effigies of hung Tories and this is not the first time they have done this. The Tory conference is currently in Manchester and this is the welcome they have for the members coming in to Manchester from around the country

And I will rarely agree with shaggy but on this point I do people are going to be killed in this before long. This has to stop Britain voted to leave the EU and it has to be respected

If they go down the road of bercow going to Brussels with a view to eventually making us vote again then I really do fear what will happen in Britain


I thought it was only far right Tory’s that did that kind of stuff?

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#627869 - 01/10/19 07:05 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
I see BoJo's long awaited solution to the Irish border problem has gone down like a lead balloon.

Rejected by the Irish Government the SDLP and Sinn Fein.

Customs Posts on both sides of the border. I don't think so.







Why would anyone vote for anything he comes up with? They won’t no matter what he brings in because it’s BoJo. People are more bothered about who he is than what he can bring (not saying his solution is workable but even if it was it’d be voted down).

No condemnation of Labours volatile language I see??


Well living in N. Ireland I think this plan is a total non runner. We are already starting to see frequent police checkpoints on the border this last few months.

Moving customs posts 5 miles from the border isn't a solution. That is just moving the border 5 miles further up the road.

I have no problem whatsoever condemning labour's volatile language. These politicians have been elected to lead and using inappropriate language is completely unacceptable. It is going to result in someone getting seriously hurt.

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#627870 - 01/10/19 07:18 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Fair enough. Doesn’t seem like it solves the border issue to me either. There must be a solution there somewhere though.

I still think that no matter what is brought back it’ll still not be voted for. It’ll be the same too if labour gets in. Anything they bring in will be voted down too. I’m starting to think the public need a vote on the deal but I bet they all couldn’t even decide on a vote to put to us!

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#627871 - 01/10/19 09:04 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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The details of the governments plan for the Irish border have not been announced yet so it's pointless speculating on rumours although that won't stop shaggy

However I bet when it is announced it's trusted trader, self certification and audit type thing. That has been rejected by the EU so something else will need to be added what we will have to see. The government have denied its hard border away from the border albeit there are to be customs checks

I was in a meeting yesterday in Manchester and Arlene foster was one of the speakers a very impressive speaker she was too. It was clear the backstop is a red line and she believes it would breach the Belfast agreement and believes a lot of Remain MP,s are stirring up threat of the troubles for their political aims she named john major and tony Blair and was clearly angry at them. She also said most English politicans had never read the Belfast agreement which is true in my experience.

Shaggy does not speak for Northern Ireland there are plenty over there who are polar opposites to his view

Mrs foster also said there are future issues for the Republic with a European army and tax harmonisation. The army would compromise Ireland's neutrality and prevent them setting low corporation tax which drives their important digital economy


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#627872 - 01/10/19 09:46 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The details of the governments plan for the Irish border have not been announced yet so it's pointless speculating on rumours although that won't stop shaggy

However I bet when it is announced it's trusted trader, self certification and audit type thing. That has been rejected by the EU so something else will need to be added what we will have to see. The government have denied its hard border away from the border albeit there are to be customs checks

I was in a meeting yesterday in Manchester and Arlene foster was one of the speakers a very impressive speaker she was too. It was clear the backstop is a red line and she believes it would breach the Belfast agreement and believes a lot of Remain MP,s are stirring up threat of the troubles for their political aims she named john major and tony Blair and was clearly angry at them. She also said most English politicans had never read the Belfast agreement which is true in my experience.

Shaggy does not speak for Northern Ireland there are plenty over there who are polar opposites to his view

Mrs foster also said there are future issues for the Republic with a European army and tax harmonisation. The army would compromise Ireland's neutrality and prevent them setting low corporation tax which drives their important digital economy


Bojo has been quick to disown the proposals set out in the leaked documents. This whole Irish border issue isn't as easy to solve as Bojo thought it was going to be. That's what happens when reality meets wishful thinking.

I'm not surprised you were impressed by Arlene Foster.

The leader of the only party in N. Ireland to campaign against the Good Friday Agreement.

The leader of a party that won't consent to an Irish Language Act on the island of Ireland.

The leader of a party that refuses to recognise the rights of gay people to marry each other.

The leader of a party that denies women in N. Ireland the same abortion rights as those on the UK mainland.

The leader of a party that oversaw a cash for ash scheme that will cost the taxpayer at least half a billion pounds.

The leader of a party, campaigning for brexit against the express wishes of the majority of the electorate in N. Ireland.

Arlene is right up your street.

Oh and this may come as a shock to you but the DUP don't like the Republic of Ireland. Though I thought you would have know that given the fact that you were near the border once 20 years ago.

# we aren't racists we are characters.

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#627873 - 01/10/19 10:06 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Great rant but nothing of substance as always

Whether I like Arlene foster is pretty much irrelevant that fact the majority of people in Northern Ireland do and vote her as leader does

And I agree with wilki the tactic is to claim Britain needs to find a solution then reject anything and everything they suggest. Well time is running out and if a solution is not perfect the terminal rejectors should take the blame
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#627874 - 01/10/19 10:28 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Great rant but nothing of substance as always

Whether I like Arlene foster is pretty much irrelevant that fact the majority of people in Northern Ireland do and vote her as leader does

And I agree with wilki the tactic is to claim Britain needs to find a solution then reject anything and everything they suggest. Well time is running out and if a solution is not perfect the terminal rejectors should take the blame


As is now standard in your brexit lala land when given a set of facts you simply chose to ignore them or shout conspiracy.

The majority of people in N. Ireland voted to remain. She is pushing for brexit, against the wishes of the electorate here.

Britain created brexit, of course they need to provide a solution. Oh and Boris voted for May's backstop the 3rd time it came before parliament. You couldn't make this stuff up.

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#627875 - 01/10/19 11:04 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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The majority of the people in Northern Ireland presumably voted for the DUP and arlene foster ? Otherwise why would she be leader

The fact the majority in Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU is a fascinating fact but of no relevance as we voted as the United Kingdom
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#627876 - 01/10/19 11:32 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The majority of the people in Northern Ireland presumably voted for the DUP and arlene foster ? Otherwise why would she be leader

The fact the majority in Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU is a fascinating fact but of no relevance as we voted as the United Kingdom


The First Minister is elected by the Assembly on a joint ticket with the deputy First Minister through a cross-community vote. Why am I surprised that you didn't learn about this on your fact finding mission near the border 20 years ago?

Ah so the will of the people doesn't count in N. Ireland. I notice it doesn't count in Scotland either. And you wonder why you're country is in the state it is in.

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#627879 - 01/10/19 12:30 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The majority of the people in Northern Ireland presumably voted for the DUP and arlene foster ? Otherwise why would she be leader

The fact the majority in Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU is a fascinating fact but of no relevance as we voted as the United Kingdom


The First Minister is elected by the Assembly on a joint ticket with the deputy First Minister through a cross-community vote. Why am I surprised that you didn't learn about this on your fact finding mission near the border 20 years ago?

Ah so the will of the people doesn't count in N. Ireland. I notice it doesn't count in Scotland either. And you wonder why you're country is in the state it is in.


The Kingdom doesn't look very United, does it?

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#627880 - 01/10/19 12:44 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I admit I don't understand Northern Ireland politics and I am glad I don't. As far as I am aware (correct me if wrong) the DUP are the majority party therefore the majority must have voted for them and your views are not typical of all people who live in the province

As for Britain not being united there is one easy way to put that right let the people vote for a new parliament however parliament is currently blocking all elections

Britain was once a beacon of democracy its an international joke now and little better than South American or African dictatorships where elections are rigged or prevented
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#627882 - 01/10/19 01:09 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I admit I don't understand Northern Ireland politics and I am glad I don't. As far as I am aware (correct me if wrong) the DUP are the majority party therefore the majority must have voted for them and your views are not typical of all people who live in the province

As for Britain not being united there is one easy way to put that right let the people vote for a new parliament however parliament is currently blocking all elections

Britain was once a beacon of democracy its an international joke now and little better than South American or African dictatorships where elections are rigged or prevented


"I admit I don't understand Northern Ireland politics"

You have never set foot in the place, you were oblivious to the fact that people who live in N. Ireland can declare as Irish citizens and hold Irish passports and yet you lecture us who live here. Once again, the majority in N. Ireland voted to remain in the EU. The DUP have pushed for brexit, completely ignoring the wishes of their constituents.

Again a tantrum because the opposition parties wont have the election when Bojo says so. When you are a serial liar people tend not to believe you when you promise things. An election won't change the views of those in Scotland and N. Ireland who have had a tory brexit forced upon them. Good luck uniting them.

Britain once claimed ownership of one quarter of the globe, including the United States, Australia and India. A beacon of democracy. Really?

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#627884 - 01/10/19 01:21 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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The poll finds that Northern voters are deeply dissatisfied with the management of Brexit by the UK government and, most significantly, with the Democratic Unionist Party, with more than three-quarters of all voters saying they are dissatisfied with the UK government.

Two-thirds of all voters (67 per cent) say the DUP is doing a bad job of representing Northern Ireland at Westminster, while 69 per cent of people – including 57 per cent of those from a Protestant background – are dissatisfied with DUP leader Arlene Foster.

The poll in Northern Ireland was conducted through face-to-face interviews among a national quota sample of 536 people throughout all regions. Personal in-home interviewing took place on March 4th, 5th and 6th. The accuracy level is estimated to be about plus or minus 4.29 per cent.

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#627885 - 01/10/19 01:23 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Britain invented democracy and now were crap at it.

Dont forget South Africa.

Are you saying SA owns its own diamond and gold mines which the Crown Corporation "took over" in 1902.
Never going to happen.

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#627886 - 01/10/19 01:24 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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The DUP got 10 of 18 seats I understand. By my maths that means they got a majority which means more people in the province disagree with you. You don't speak for Northern Ireland any more than I speak for the people of England.

I have been to Southern Ireland but never the north I trust the average person there has more intellect than you. Although I have never been to Northern Ireland I have worked and socialised with plenty of their people and they were fine. Decent people

I have also met a few like you riven with sectarian hatred and division to be fair on both sides of the divide. My experience is that people like you are few in number but make the most noise
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#627887 - 01/10/19 01:51 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The DUP got 10 of 18 seats I understand. By my maths that means they got a majority which means more people in the province disagree with you. You don't speak for Northern Ireland any more than I speak for the people of England.

I have been to Southern Ireland but never the north I trust the average person there has more intellect than you. Although I have never been to Northern Ireland I have worked and socialised with plenty of their people and they were fine. Decent people

I have also met a few like you riven with sectarian hatred and division to be fair on both sides of the divide. My experience is that people like you are few in number but make the most noise


I think you should ask those you know in Ireland North and South, think about a no deal brexit which Bojo wants to implement even if he has to act against the law.

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#627890 - 01/10/19 03:24 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The DUP got 10 of 18 seats I understand. By my maths that means they got a majority which means more people in the province disagree with you. You don't speak for Northern Ireland any more than I speak for the people of England.

I have been to Southern Ireland but never the north I trust the average person there has more intellect than you. Although I have never been to Northern Ireland I have worked and socialised with plenty of their people and they were fine. Decent people

I have also met a few like you riven with sectarian hatred and division to be fair on both sides of the divide. My experience is that people like you are few in number but make the most noise


"I admit I don't understand Northern Ireland politics" You then proceed to give a lecture on politics in N. Ireland.

55% of the electorate in N. Ireland voted to remain. Now by my maths that means that the majority in N. Ireland wanted to remain in the EU.

Another lecture on Ireland from a man who was near the border once 20 years ago. The only man ever to advocate political murder on Koptalk. You have a brass neck.

You have previous on here for referring to the Irish as stupid and equating one british life worth the same as 500 Irish lives. Your problem with the Irish now is that we will no longer dance to England's tune.



Edited by Shaggydog (01/10/19 03:27 PM)

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#627892 - 02/10/19 02:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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As I said we voted in the EU referendum as the United Kingdom it would not matter that 100% of the voters in Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU we voted as the United Kingdom

Also 55% is a majority but not a huge majority and let's remember many voted against the Belfast agreement but the view of the majority prevailed. Why are those principles different for the EU referendum

And I take no lectures on violence from an IRA sympathiser and sectarian fanatic
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#627893 - 02/10/19 03:15 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
As I said we voted in the EU referendum as the United Kingdom it would not matter that 100% of the voters in Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU we voted as the United Kingdom

Also 55% is a majority but not a huge majority and let's remember many voted against the Belfast agreement but the view of the majority prevailed. Why are those principles different for the EU referendum

And I take no lectures on violence from an IRA sympathiser and sectarian fanatic


71% of the electorate voted for the Good Friday Agreement.
Oh dear

55% is not a huge majority but apparently 52% means the people have spoken.
Oh dear.

A man planning to vote for a party who has an elected member who refused to condemn the IRA bombing in Warrington calls others IRA sympathisers.
Oh dear.

Of course you will take no lectures on violence. You are a huge fan of its use.
Oh dear

#oh dear, just oh dear.

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#627894 - 02/10/19 04:05 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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I have never had sympathy with a murdeous and cowardly bunch of thugs like the IRA and thank god I am not of that mindset as some utter morons are

As for the Belfast agreement the majority voted for it. Imagine if years later it had still not been implemented that people who voted for it were thick bigots that the people should be made to vote again on the Belfast agreement until they rejected it.

How would that pan out ?
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#627895 - 02/10/19 05:19 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Yeah because the two scenarios are so alike Stan,jeez.
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#627898 - 02/10/19 05:59 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: lumba]
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Yeah because the two scenarios are so alike Stan,jeez.


They are exactly the same people's majority decision in elections and referendums have to be respected. If you think differently please explain how you see it?
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#627899 - 02/10/19 06:35 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Ok then Stan keeping it simple,one vote allowed a country to move forward and the other would if allowed take a country backwards.
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#627900 - 02/10/19 06:39 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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How do you know it’ll take us backwards?

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#627901 - 02/10/19 06:45 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Extensive research.
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#627902 - 02/10/19 06:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Care to share? All I’ve seen is ifs, buts and maybes with a whole load of coulds thrown in for good measure.

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#627904 - 02/10/19 07:25 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Care to share? All I’ve seen is ifs, buts and maybes with a whole load of coulds thrown in for good measure.


Where are the government papers telling you how good Brexit is going to be wilki? Do you not find that worrying?

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#627906 - 02/10/19 09:02 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Care to share? All I’ve seen is ifs, buts and maybes with a whole load of coulds thrown in for good measure.


Where are the government papers telling you how good Brexit is going to be wilki? Do you not find that worrying?


I’m not claiming to have done extensive research into it. Just asking to see lumba’s that’s all.

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#627907 - 02/10/19 09:22 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Care to share? All I’ve seen is ifs, buts and maybes with a whole load of coulds thrown in for good measure.


Where are the government papers telling you how good Brexit is going to be wilki? Do you not find that worrying?


I’m not claiming to have done extensive research into it. Just asking to see lumba’s that’s all.


So does it.not worry you that there are no Government papers extolling the virtues of a no deal Brexit.

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#627908 - 02/10/19 09:42 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Not really.

Does it not worry you that people are constantly saying something will be bad yet can’t give any concrete or credible evidence to back it up despite saying they’ve extensive research on it?

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#627909 - 02/10/19 10:22 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Not really.

Does it not worry you that people are constantly saying something will be bad yet can’t give any concrete or credible evidence to back it up despite saying they’ve extensive research on it?


So we are to ignore the information provide by the government in Operation Yellowhammer?

And lumbs extensive research?

This is all going to end in tears.




Edited by Shaggydog (02/10/19 10:23 PM)

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#627910 - 02/10/19 10:53 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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This reminds me of the "sexed up" dossier on Iraq presented by the Blair government about the weapons of mass destruction.

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#627913 - 03/10/19 05:17 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Not really.

Does it not worry you that people are constantly saying something will be bad yet can’t give any concrete or credible evidence to back it up despite saying they’ve extensive research on it?


So we are to ignore the information provide by the government in Operation Yellowhammer?

And lumbs extensive research?

This is all going to end in tears.




Yellowhammer was worst case. It was also littered with ‘could happens’. No one knows for sure what will happen.

Anyway, I’m not even sure we’ll leave anyway. Parliament are doing all they can to stop it and with the surrender act it’ll only be a name only brexit if we do.

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#627914 - 03/10/19 07:14 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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My point is for Democracy to work at even the most basic level majority votes have to be respected and implemented and if there are some on here that think votes should only be respected where they personally agree with what the majority vote for and should be ignored when they disagree with the majority

Then I am afraid I cannot agree with those people

There are also some who express views and when challenged are unable to explain those views at any level which is rather a shame for those people
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#627921 - 03/10/19 06:59 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Well at least we all understand each other now and we can put this to bed..Goodnight.
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#627923 - 03/10/19 08:35 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
How do you know it’ll take us backwards?


Besides the govt likely predictions I present a logic exercise.

Hedge fund managers that are funding the leave campaign are also betting huge amounts on the collapse of the UK economy.. already made hundreds of millions and will make more hundreds of millions.. think of their motives and add logic..what u think?

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#627924 - 03/10/19 08:38 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Oh dear.

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#627927 - 04/10/19 03:24 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Not really.

Does it not worry you that people are constantly saying something will be bad yet can’t give any concrete or credible evidence to back it up despite saying they’ve extensive research on it?


So we are to ignore the information provide by the government in Operation Yellowhammer?

And lumbs extensive research?

This is all going to end in tears.




Yellowhammer was worst case. It was also littered with ‘could happens’. No one knows for sure what will happen.

Anyway, I’m not even sure we’ll leave anyway. Parliament are doing all they can to stop it and with the surrender act it’ll only be a name only brexit if we do.


So you are ok to take a risk?

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#627928 - 04/10/19 06:40 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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I voted remain and don’t want a no deal. But I’m not going to jump on the all is doom with a no deal bandwagon.

Ultimately we voted to leave as a whole and if that means with a no deal then so be it.

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#627929 - 04/10/19 08:45 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I voted remain and don’t want a no deal. But I’m not going to jump on the all is doom with a no deal bandwagon.

Ultimately we voted to leave as a whole and if that means with a no deal then so be it.


It's going to be absolutely brilliant for N. Ireland, the border and the Good Friday Agreement.

But sure, so be it.

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#627930 - 04/10/19 09:43 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Oh dear.


hahahah thought logic be a bit much for you. Not a bit much for the hedge fund shorters making a killing on your country going to crap..dah well tho, people are dumb , we allow this stuff to go on.

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#627931 - 04/10/19 09:48 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I voted remain and don’t want a no deal. But I’m not going to jump on the all is doom with a no deal bandwagon.

Ultimately we voted to leave as a whole and if that means with a no deal then so be it.


It's going to be absolutely brilliant for N. Ireland, the border and the Good Friday Agreement.

But sure, so be it.



Tories willing to rip up an international peace agreement thats lodged in the UN ..no so be it to it at all.. We need an all country border poll now.

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#627932 - 04/10/19 10:07 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Oh dear.


hahahah thought logic be a bit much for you. Not a bit much for the hedge fund shorters making a killing on your country going to crap..dah well tho, people are dumb , we allow this stuff to go on.


Oh dear oh dear.

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#627933 - 04/10/19 10:08 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Have you ever posted anything on the Liverpool FC forum ?

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#627934 - 04/10/19 10:13 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I voted remain and don’t want a no deal. But I’m not going to jump on the all is doom with a no deal bandwagon.

Ultimately we voted to leave as a whole and if that means with a no deal then so be it.


It's going to be absolutely brilliant for N. Ireland, the border and the Good Friday Agreement.

But sure, so be it.



I won’t pretend to know why as I know nothing of the troubles there (unlike stan grin). So this is a genuine question. Why? Surely it doesn’t have to mean the end of the peace out there does it?

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#627935 - 04/10/19 10:22 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Oh dear.


hahahah thought logic be a bit much for you. Not a bit much for the hedge fund shorters making a killing on your country going to crap..dah well tho, people are dumb , we allow this stuff to go on.


Oh dear oh dear.


can't even form an opinion on people funding brexit making billions on your economy going to crap. says it all really.
you just don't care?

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#627936 - 04/10/19 10:23 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I voted remain and don’t want a no deal. But I’m not going to jump on the all is doom with a no deal bandwagon.

Ultimately we voted to leave as a whole and if that means with a no deal then so be it.


It's going to be absolutely brilliant for N. Ireland, the border and the Good Friday Agreement.

But sure, so be it.



I won’t pretend to know why as I know nothing of the troubles there (unlike stan grin). So this is a genuine question. Why? Surely it doesn’t have to mean the end of the peace out there does it?


seeing how it rips up the peace treaty..i would say good chance yeah..won't happen tho..boris can't get anything passed

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#627937 - 04/10/19 10:28 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Markhutch1]
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Have you ever posted anything on the Liverpool FC forum ?


i used to all the time..when rafa was in charge..didn't want him.. Klopp is a legend so all is good.. but i would play milner all the time and i would drop the crazy high line smile

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#627938 - 04/10/19 11:17 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By EMP
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Oh dear.


hahahah thought logic be a bit much for you. Not a bit much for the hedge fund shorters making a killing on your country going to crap..dah well tho, people are dumb , we allow this stuff to go on.


Oh dear oh dear.


can't even form an opinion on people funding brexit making billions on your economy going to crap. says it all really.
you just don't care?


Oh dear oh dear oh dear. I have an opinion on your far left ranting but I promised I wouldn’t swear on here again.


Edited by wilkij1975 (04/10/19 11:21 AM)

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#627939 - 04/10/19 11:20 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I voted remain and don’t want a no deal. But I’m not going to jump on the all is doom with a no deal bandwagon.

Ultimately we voted to leave as a whole and if that means with a no deal then so be it.


It's going to be absolutely brilliant for N. Ireland, the border and the Good Friday Agreement.

But sure, so be it.



I won’t pretend to know why as I know nothing of the troubles there (unlike stan grin). So this is a genuine question. Why? Surely it doesn’t have to mean the end of the peace out there does it?


seeing how it rips up the peace treaty..i would say good chance yeah..won't happen tho..boris can't get anything passed


Why does it rip it up? Explain so I can understand.

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#627940 - 04/10/19 11:30 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I voted remain and don’t want a no deal. But I’m not going to jump on the all is doom with a no deal bandwagon.

Ultimately we voted to leave as a whole and if that means with a no deal then so be it.


It's going to be absolutely brilliant for N. Ireland, the border and the Good Friday Agreement.

But sure, so be it.



I won’t pretend to know why as I know nothing of the troubles there (unlike stan grin). So this is a genuine question. Why? Surely it doesn’t have to mean the end of the peace out there does it?


The troubles in N. Ireland lasted 30 years and cost over 3,500 lives. The beauty of the Good Friday Agreement was that there was no winners or losers. Both sides compromised and as a result both sides were able to sell it to the hardliners.

Crucial to that was the removal of the border checkpoints and the british army from the streets. This has led to a return to normality.
We can now travel up and down and across the country freely without hindrance.

However it is impossible for britain to deliver bojo's version of brexit without breaching not only the Good Friday Agreement but also the Withdrawal Agreement. This was in an Irish newspaper today.

"Section 10(2)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 explicitly commits the UK not to “create or facilitate border arrangements between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after exit day which feature physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls, that did not exist before exit day and are not in accordance with an agreement between the United Kingdom and the EU”.

This could not be clearer: what is ruled out is not just posts on the border but any infrastructure, any checks, and any controls that do not currently exist.

This, remember, is not just an Irish or EU demand. It has been the official British line all throughout this process. The whole backstop problem arises, not as some kind of dastardly Irish or European plot, but because Britain just can’t live up to this commitment if Northern Ireland leaves either the single market or the customs union".

Bojo proposed deal, will in effect be tearing up the Good Friday Agreement and what was agreed in the Withdrawal Agreement. Also his ridiculous idea of giving the DUP a veto over future decisions relating to N. Ireland would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. That's the same DUP that was the only party in N. Ireland to oppose the Good Friday Agreement.

Does any of the above strike you of the actions of an honest broker which is meant to be the role of the british (and irish) governments in relation to the GFA?

The peace process will be over simply because britain has decided to completely ignore its commitments to it.

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#627941 - 04/10/19 11:56 AM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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its nothing about me, its about the FACT that people who fund boris and the brexit campaign are betting huge amounts of money on your country falling apart ..its just a fact, and in my opinion exposes the nature of brexit. Why don't you have an opinion or fear of this? maddness

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#627942 - 04/10/19 12:49 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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its nothing about me, its about the FACT that people who fund boris and the brexit campaign are betting huge amounts of money on your country falling apart ..its just a fact, and in my opinion exposes the nature of brexit. Why don't you have an opinion or fear of this? maddness


Speculators love market volatility and I am pretty sure they are shorting on the brexit deal or not. But so what ? They do this 24x7 x365 what's new here ? We have stock markets and commodity markets have you only just found this out ? And the only place right now falling apart is the EU economy even Germany which is tipping into recession the ECB is also printing money at record levels and has negative interest rates meaning you pay to hold money.
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#627944 - 04/10/19 01:17 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EMP
its nothing about me, its about the FACT that people who fund boris and the brexit campaign are betting huge amounts of money on your country falling apart ..its just a fact, and in my opinion exposes the nature of brexit. Why don't you have an opinion or fear of this? maddness


Speculators love market volatility and I am pretty sure they are shorting on the brexit deal or not. But so what ? They do this 24x7 x365 what's new here ? We have stock markets and commodity markets have you only just found this out ? And the only place right now falling apart is the EU economy even Germany which is tipping into recession the ECB is also printing money at record levels and has negative interest rates meaning you pay to hold money.


No they ain't speculators they are actively effecting the markets to make a killing at your misfortune.. u happy with that conflict of interest then good for you.. but people that bet that much money tend to be right, especially when they are also pushing the economy down.

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#627946 - 04/10/19 01:31 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
its nothing about me, its about the FACT that people who fund boris and the brexit campaign are betting huge amounts of money on your country falling apart ..its just a fact, and in my opinion exposes the nature of brexit. Why don't you have an opinion or fear of this? maddness


So these people have only just started doing this have they? Get a grip. These sorts of people are doing this day in day out regardless of brexit. If you take the far left turd out of your eyes you’d see that.

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#627949 - 04/10/19 02:08 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By EMP
its nothing about me, its about the FACT that people who fund boris and the brexit campaign are betting huge amounts of money on your country falling apart ..its just a fact, and in my opinion exposes the nature of brexit. Why don't you have an opinion or fear of this? maddness


So these people have only just started doing this have they? Get a grip. These sorts of people are doing this day in day out regardless of brexit. If you take the far left turd out of your eyes you’d see that.


Thats not an answer, yes people speculate on downturns all the time(farage celebrating the pound drop comes to mind).. I am talking about Brexit backers with a conflict of interest cause they are backing at your economy falling and actively promoting a cause of action that they believe will make your economy fall...so again nothing to do with me or how long this has been going on..address the actual issue.. are u happy with brexiters and boris being funded by people that want to see ur economy collapse ..stop dodging

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#627950 - 04/10/19 02:11 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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actually u have answered..u don't care

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#627951 - 04/10/19 02:33 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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Oh so now people who backed brexit are continuing to do what they did. Wow I’m shocked! I hate them. Hate them all! How dare they? I best convert to the far left. There’s nothing else for it.

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#627953 - 04/10/19 02:37 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: wilkij1975]
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Wow! People driving the uk to ruin for their own economic benefit and you think its a joke..shocking.

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#627956 - 04/10/19 02:56 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
Wow! People driving the uk to ruin for their own economic benefit and you think its a joke..shocking.


To be fair nobody knows for sure, that's the issue. It looks to me that Brexit is like a religion now, you either believe or don't. However, unlike a religion, you can see reality and not only feel it, for that the UK has to experience it, I see no other way to stop the division.

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#627958 - 04/10/19 03:03 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: EnergisedReds]
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the shorter speculation is public as is their funding of the leave campaign ...taking out big ads in the times etc etc and also funding boris.. the tories obviously blocked the inquiry calls but i think most normal citizens would be like wtf, whats going on here..obviously the staunch people are pig headed but i would hope most people with families to raise in the economy would be like wtf

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#627985 - 04/10/19 10:15 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Dunk]
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N Ireland news doing a series of short clips each evening on the effects of a No Deal Brexit.

Northern Ireland Department of Agriculture currently issues 18,000 Export Health Certificates per year.

Under a No Deal Brexit they will have to issue 1.9 million certs.

Department reckons the most it will be able to process will be 400,000

The DUP continue to ignore the views of their own voters who voted to remain in the EU, pledging their support for BoJo's proposed deal. Every other major political party, both unionist and nationalist have condemned BoJo's deal as extremely damaging to the N. Ireland economy.

It's wonderful to see democracy at work.

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#629012 - 07/11/19 03:24 PM Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election? [Re: Shaggydog]
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
N Ireland news doing a series of short clips each evening on the effects of a No Deal Brexit.

Northern Ireland Department of Agriculture currently issues 18,000 Export Health Certificates per year.

Under a No Deal Brexit they will have to issue 1.9 million certs.

Department reckons the most it will be able to process will be 400,000

The DUP continue to ignore the views of their own voters who voted to remain in the EU, pledging their support for BoJo's proposed deal. Every other major political party, both unionist and nationalist have condemned BoJo's deal as extremely damaging to the N. Ireland economy.

It's wonderful to see democracy at work.


Their voters will have the opportunity to correct them...if they wish that is.

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