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#621313 - 03/05/19 07:44 PM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Yes. Four for the bodies and twelve to get the other teams to keep quiet. Simple maths really.


Why only 12?


Read the op or what pickles posted above and get back to me with the answer.

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#621322 - 04/05/19 03:31 AM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: Pickles]
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The objective of FFP is to protect clubs from going into bankruptcy, it has never been to have some kind of a level playing field which a lot of people assume. The gist of it is that you can only spend what you have, but that favours the clubs with the bigger fan base, so that's not fair neither as it means a club with a small fan base will never be able to climb the ladder. This is why it ends up in transfer bans as this forces the clubs not to spend. If they really want to be fair then they need to have capped budgets.

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#621326 - 04/05/19 08:56 AM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: Pickles]
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What has bankruptcy to do with Fair Play?

Of course it's about a level playing field - hence the name Fifa Fair Play.

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#621335 - 04/05/19 10:24 AM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: van Gogh]
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Originally Posted By van Gogh
What has bankruptcy to do with Fair Play?

Of course it's about a level playing field - hence the name Fifa Fair Play.



FFP:The UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations(FFP) were established to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success and in doing so getting into financial problems which might threaten their long-term survival.[1] They were agreed to in principle in September 2009 by the Financial Control Panel of football's governing body in Europe (Union of European Football Associations – UEFA).

Do some research if you don't know, it's so easy on internet

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#621349 - 04/05/19 01:41 PM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: Pickles]
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FFP is also to stop teams ploughing their own money into the club where other clubs cannot afford to do so.

A good way of maintaining income is having a full ground every game. City sell out but we all call it the Emptyhad. If there are always 55000 fans there the gate receipts will always be the same. If there are only 50000 the gate receipts will be lower. In step the owners with the claim that 55000 tickets were sold hence the gate receipts are the same. The owners propping up ticket sales is the same as them putting in extra money that has not been properly sourced from legitimate streams.

Look at City v us.
Gate receipts? Probably the same.
Shirt sales? We sell half a million more per year at £50 a pop.
Player sales? Do City sell players?
Tv revenue? Ours is usually higher.
Players bought? City spend more.
Players wages? How many City players +£200k a week? 6 or 7 ?

When they get caught they should be RELEGATED!

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#621353 - 04/05/19 02:46 PM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: SSO]
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Originally Posted By SSO
FFP is also to stop teams ploughing their own money into the club where other clubs cannot afford to do so.

A good way of maintaining income is having a full ground every game. City sell out but we all call it the Emptyhad. If there are always 55000 fans there the gate receipts will always be the same. If there are only 50000 the gate receipts will be lower. In step the owners with the claim that 55000 tickets were sold hence the gate receipts are the same. The owners propping up ticket sales is the same as them putting in extra money that has not been properly sourced from legitimate streams.

Look at City v us.
Gate receipts? Probably the same.
Shirt sales? We sell half a million more per year at £50 a pop.
Player sales? Do City sell players?
Tv revenue? Ours is usually higher.
Players bought? City spend more.
Players wages? How many City players +£200k a week? 6 or 7 ?

When they get caught they should be RELEGATED!


The Emptyhad laugh
_________________________
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.

"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"

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#621361 - 04/05/19 04:17 PM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: Pickles]
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FFP is to avoid teams nearly going out of business by overspending with what they have not got, like Leeds & Portsmouth.

The problem is that it tends to lead to a cartel, where the big clubs stay big and the small clubs stay small and cannot close the gap as they are restricted on getting a benefactor, like an Abramovich. That's one of the reasons FSG bought us, they saw FFP levelling the playing field with teams like Chelsea not allowed to overspend, with our fan base they saw an opportunity to improve our commercial operations and improve us, which they have.

The problem is City have been backed by a country in effect, with unlimited funds, it's going to be interesting to see how they are
dealt with.

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#621364 - 04/05/19 05:49 PM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: ecnirp98]
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
FFP is to avoid teams nearly going out of business by overspending with what they have not got, like Leeds & Portsmouth.

The problem is that it tends to lead to a cartel, where the big clubs stay big and the small clubs stay small and cannot close the gap as they are restricted on getting a benefactor, like an Abramovich. That's one of the reasons FSG bought us, they saw FFP levelling the playing field with teams like Chelsea not allowed to overspend, with our fan base they saw an opportunity to improve our commercial operations and improve us, which they have.

The problem is City have been backed by a country in effect, with unlimited funds, it's going to be interesting to see how they are
dealt with.


But it has failed on both counts. City can spend what they want and at the other end Bolton cannot pay its staff or fulfil its fixtures.

Same punishment for both clubs, send them both to League 2.

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#621365 - 04/05/19 06:22 PM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: SSO]
EnergisedReds Offline
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Originally Posted By SSO
FFP is also to stop teams ploughing their own money into the club where other clubs cannot afford to do so.

A good way of maintaining income is having a full ground every game. City sell out but we all call it the Emptyhad. If there are always 55000 fans there the gate receipts will always be the same. If there are only 50000 the gate receipts will be lower. In step the owners with the claim that 55000 tickets were sold hence the gate receipts are the same. The owners propping up ticket sales is the same as them putting in extra money that has not been properly sourced from legitimate streams.

Look at City v us.
Gate receipts? Probably the same.
Shirt sales? We sell half a million more per year at £50 a pop.
Player sales? Do City sell players?
Tv revenue? Ours is usually higher.
Players bought? City spend more.
Players wages? How many City players +£200k a week? 6 or 7 ?

When they get caught they should be RELEGATED!


They have much better sponsorship deals though a lot of them are from the UAE, this is what is being investigated.

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#621366 - 04/05/19 06:27 PM Re: 12 top-flight teams demand action by PL over Man City FFP [Re: ecnirp98]
EnergisedReds Offline
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Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 19612
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
FFP is to avoid teams nearly going out of business by overspending with what they have not got, like Leeds & Portsmouth.

The problem is that it tends to lead to a cartel, where the big clubs stay big and the small clubs stay small and cannot close the gap as they are restricted on getting a benefactor, like an Abramovich. That's one of the reasons FSG bought us, they saw FFP levelling the playing field with teams like Chelsea not allowed to overspend, with our fan base they saw an opportunity to improve our commercial operations and improve us, which they have.

The problem is City have been backed by a country in effect, with unlimited funds, it's going to be interesting to see how they are
dealt with.


The problem is FFP was never implemented as they expected or wished, if it was United, Liverpool, Arsenal and probably Chelsea would have had a big advantage over others.


Edited by TiredReds (04/05/19 06:27 PM)

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