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#612787 - 29/10/18 12:09 PM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Pictonclock]
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Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.

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#612840 - 30/10/18 06:49 AM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Dunk]
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Lallana is weak and is easily brushed aside. i.e. "light-weight".

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#612851 - 30/10/18 03:19 PM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Dunk]
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I know what the phrase refers to, thanks. But it is a superficial criticism that speaks to a poor understanding of the game, and a reminder of why English players have so constantly lagged behind the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians, the Dutch, Brazilians, and Argentines. You want all your midfielders to look like Roy Keane, when Modric or Iniesta would have him on toast.

Lallana has a great touch, can beat a man, pass well, create, and score goals. Before his injury he was a very important player for us. Will he be the same after it? Maybe not, but dismiss him as lightweight, as though that has been what was holding him back is asinine.

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#612861 - 30/10/18 10:09 PM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Dunk]
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Lallana has never been the fastest runner, but has always been excellent on the ball and has really good touch, with his ability he can control the pace of the game and would be useful to bring on to keep the ball and close down a game.

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#612870 - 31/10/18 03:23 AM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: redordead13]
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Originally Posted By redordead13
I know what the phrase refers to, thanks. But it is a superficial criticism that speaks to a poor understanding of the game, and a reminder of why English players have so constantly lagged behind the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians, the Dutch, Brazilians, and Argentines. You want all your midfielders to look like Roy Keane, when Modric or Iniesta would have him on toast.

Lallana has a great touch, can beat a man, pass well, create, and score goals. Before his injury he was a very important player for us. Will he be the same after it? Maybe not, but dismiss him as lightweight, as though that has been what was holding him back is asinine.


Lallana has had one very good season with us and he is nowhere near that so far, injuries do take their toll I suppose. No better than being on the bench these days, Shaqiri and Keita offer more than him

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#612871 - 31/10/18 05:30 AM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: redordead13]
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Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.


That is laughable...you actually compare llalana to messi iniesta coutinho etc..
Klop IS making a mistake if he starts reintroducing moreno and llalana to the team on a regular basis...he persisted with karius and that was klopps fault as much as it was karius fault the way it turned out.
Same with moreno..he has literaly cost lfc 2 finals and is in the same bracket as karius.
Llalana was the most subbed player every season at southampton(fact) for a reason.
He has fleetingly shown good form but more often has not done so.
Lfc now are at a more advanced level in terms of kicking on..or so it seems..reverting to players that stagnate the team is/will be folly from klop...clyne moreno llalana henderson...all had their day at lfc and are players that belong in past tense if lfc are to kick on totally.Yes llalana and henderson are now squad players at best...if first team regulars though then forget any silverware arriving at lfc.


Edited by Pictonclock (31/10/18 05:33 AM)

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#612874 - 31/10/18 06:11 AM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Dunk]
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Wow. My feelings exactly. Well said indeed. This improved team lineup is getting up to speed. Why drop back to second gear?

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#612875 - 31/10/18 08:23 AM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Pictonclock]
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Originally Posted By Pictonclock
Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.


That is laughable...you actually compare llalana to messi iniesta coutinho etc..
Klop IS making a mistake if he starts reintroducing moreno and llalana to the team on a regular basis...he persisted with karius and that was klopps fault as much as it was karius fault the way it turned out.
Same with moreno..he has literaly cost lfc 2 finals and is in the same bracket as karius.
Llalana was the most subbed player every season at southampton(fact) for a reason.
He has fleetingly shown good form but more often has not done so.
Lfc now are at a more advanced level in terms of kicking on..or so it seems..reverting to players that stagnate the team is/will be folly from klop...clyne moreno llalana henderson...all had their day at lfc and are players that belong in past tense if lfc are to kick on totally.Yes llalana and henderson are now squad players at best...if first team regulars though then forget any silverware arriving at lfc.


Klopp played Moreno and Lallana in one game against probably the worst team in the league, which we won easily by the way. Not sure what makes you think hes reintroducing them? Well be back to our usual on the weekend.


Edited by wilkij1975 (31/10/18 08:23 AM)

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#612878 - 31/10/18 03:13 PM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Pictonclock]
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Originally Posted By Pictonclock
Originally Posted By redordead13
Originally Posted By Pictonclock
looks like moreno is in for extended run ahead of robertson as klop sees him a better attacking option.
Mistakes will no doubt abound soon from him.
Llalana is lightweight as said already and defensivly offers nothing.


They are both squad players. quit pretending Klopp is scheming to make us worse.

and Lallana is a hard presser. lightweight is the most meaningless criticism to level at a footballer. so he should be heavier? Never was a problem for Messi, or Iniesta, or Coutinho, or Eriksen, or Mata, or Cazorla, or pirlo, or plenty of others who played in the prem or other big leagues.


That is laughable...you actually compare llalana to messi iniesta coutinho etc..
Klop IS making a mistake if he starts reintroducing moreno and llalana to the team on a regular basis...he persisted with karius and that was klopps fault as much as it was karius fault the way it turned out.
Same with moreno..he has literaly cost lfc 2 finals and is in the same bracket as karius.
Llalana was the most subbed player every season at southampton(fact) for a reason.
He has fleetingly shown good form but more often has not done so.
Lfc now are at a more advanced level in terms of kicking on..or so it seems..reverting to players that stagnate the team is/will be folly from klop...clyne moreno llalana henderson...all had their day at lfc and are players that belong in past tense if lfc are to kick on totally.Yes llalana and henderson are now squad players at best...if first team regulars though then forget any silverware arriving at lfc.


No I didn't compare him to those players. I said he was a squad player who could be useful in rotation or off the bench, but I said calling players lightweight was meaningless. Those are all small players and are obviously still good. So if you are going to criticize a player, have an actual thought to say, not a throwaway cliche. And read next time.

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#612897 - 01/11/18 06:09 AM Re: FAN OPINION: Is the form of our front three a concern? [Re: Dunk]
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Good to see Mane knock in a couple of goals. The lad is really good, but he some way to go to become a legend. I want to see him meaner and fired up,

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