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Originally Posted By TiredReds
[/quote]It's so easy to look at the average yearly temperature chart to see the acceleration


Would you put your hand into a fire if somebody told you to, saying it was safe?

Australia weather bureau caught tampering with climate numbers
http://www.cfact.org/2017/08/01/australiaw-weather-bureau-caught-tampering-with-climate-numbers/

This is not isolated there is evidence that this has been happening all along!

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Originally Posted By Redneckscouser
Originally Posted By TiredReds
It's so easy to look at the average yearly temperature chart to see the acceleration


Would you put your hand into a fire if somebody told you to, saying it was safe?

Australia weather bureau caught tampering with climate numbers
http://www.cfact.org/2017/08/01/australiaw-weather-bureau-caught-tampering-with-climate-numbers/

This is not isolated there is evidence that this has been happening all along!
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It's not the Australians who are trying to prove global warming but the scientific community

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How comes yah choose to believe some media outlets but not others? Is it because they have fact in their name?


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Scientists at two of the world’s leading climate centres – NASA and NOAA – have been caught out manipulating temperature data to overstate the extent of the 20th century “global warming”.

The evidence of their tinkering can clearly be seen at Real Science, where blogger Steven Goddard has posted a series of graphs which show “climate change” before and after the adjustments.

When the raw data is used, there is little if any evidence of global warming and some evidence of global cooling. However, once the data has been adjusted – ie fabricated by computer models – 20th century ‘global warming’ suddenly looks much more dramatic.

This is especially noticeable on the US temperature records. Before 2000, it was generally accepted – even by climate activists like NASA’s James Hansen – that the hottest decade in the US was the 1930s.

As Hansen himself said in a 1989 report:

In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country.

However, Hansen subsequently changed his tune when, sometime after 2000, the temperatures were adjusted to accord with the climate alarmists’ fashionable “global warming” narrative. By cooling the record-breaking year of 1934, and promoting 1998 as the hottest year in US history, the scientists who made the adjustments were able suddenly to show 20th century temperatures shooting up – where before they looked either flat or declining.

But as Goddard notes, the Environmental Protection Agency’s heatwave record makes a mockery of these adjustments. It quite clearly shows that the US heat waves of the 1930s were of an order of magnitude greater than anything experienced at any other time during the century – far more severe than those in the 1980s or 1990s which were no worse than those in the 1950s.

These adjustments, however, are not limited to the US temperature data sets. Similar fabrications have taken place everywhere from Iceland to Australia.

The fact that supposedly reputable scientists can make these dishonest adjustments and get away with it is, notes long-time sceptic Christopher Booker, one of the more remarkable anomalies of the great climate change scam.

When I first began examining the global-warming scare, I found nothing more puzzling than the way officially approved scientists kept on being shown to have finagled their data, as in that ludicrous “hockey stick” graph, pretending to prove that the world had suddenly become much hotter than at any time in 1,000 years. Any theory needing to rely so consistently on fudging the evidence, I concluded, must be looked on not as science at all, but as simply a rather alarming case study in the aberrations of group psychology.

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Originally Posted By Redneckscouser
Scientists at two of the world’s leading climate centres – NASA and NOAA – have been caught out manipulating temperature data to overstate the extent of the 20th century “global warming”.

The evidence of their tinkering can clearly be seen at Real Science, where blogger Steven Goddard has posted a series of graphs which show “climate change” before and after the adjustments.

When the raw data is used, there is little if any evidence of global warming and some evidence of global cooling. However, once the data has been adjusted – ie fabricated by computer models – 20th century ‘global warming’ suddenly looks much more dramatic.

This is especially noticeable on the US temperature records. Before 2000, it was generally accepted – even by climate activists like NASA’s James Hansen – that the hottest decade in the US was the 1930s.

As Hansen himself said in a 1989 report:

In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country.

However, Hansen subsequently changed his tune when, sometime after 2000, the temperatures were adjusted to accord with the climate alarmists’ fashionable “global warming” narrative. By cooling the record-breaking year of 1934, and promoting 1998 as the hottest year in US history, the scientists who made the adjustments were able suddenly to show 20th century temperatures shooting up – where before they looked either flat or declining.

But as Goddard notes, the Environmental Protection Agency’s heatwave record makes a mockery of these adjustments. It quite clearly shows that the US heat waves of the 1930s were of an order of magnitude greater than anything experienced at any other time during the century – far more severe than those in the 1980s or 1990s which were no worse than those in the 1950s.

These adjustments, however, are not limited to the US temperature data sets. Similar fabrications have taken place everywhere from Iceland to Australia.

The fact that supposedly reputable scientists can make these dishonest adjustments and get away with it is, notes long-time sceptic Christopher Booker, one of the more remarkable anomalies of the great climate change scam.

When I first began examining the global-warming scare, I found nothing more puzzling than the way officially approved scientists kept on being shown to have finagled their data, as in that ludicrous “hockey stick” graph, pretending to prove that the world had suddenly become much hotter than at any time in 1,000 years. Any theory needing to rely so consistently on fudging the evidence, I concluded, must be looked on not as science at all, but as simply a rather alarming case study in the aberrations of group psychology.

by James Delingpole - 23 June 2014


Probably a guy like you and Trump. Do you know what happened to the first scientist who stated that the earth was not flat? Anyway I don't want to have such stupid discussions, unfortunately the US has elected a stupid guy.

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The problem is you can't really believe anything anymoreo. Health authorities manipulate the stats, police forces manipulate the stats, government finance dept's manipulate the stats, the media manipulate the facts, they all do it all the time. Most if not all of them have been caught out at various times, but it gets brushed under the carpet, and we return to the merry dance. We're actually living in a dictatorship disguised as a democracy.

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I find it alarming how people are so easily persuaded on the basis of unfounded facts, conjecture and hyperbole, just because the person braodcasting it has initials or letters after their name!

Science just like the media is funded by the elites who have insidious ulterior motives and a lot of folks lap it up as being truth without taking the time to investigate or get alternate opinion. The loudest voices are not always right!

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Originally Posted By Redneckscouser
I find it alarming how people are so easily persuaded on the basis of unfounded facts, conjecture and hyperbole, just because the person braodcasting it has initials or letters after their name!

Science just like the media is funded by the elites who have insidious ulterior motives and a lot of folks lap it up as being truth without taking the time to investigate or get alternate opinion. The loudest voices are not always right!


That argument seems a bit self serving, unless you yourself have conducted experiments on the matter then surely you're just choosing to believe what you've read, like most people...


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Exactly. It's just he chooses to believe the tin foil hat press.

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Originally Posted By SPANGO7
You lot are not being fair talking about global warming....you are totally overshadowing my post about how much I love the Liverpool Echo...
How dare you all divert awat from my controversial statement...if this continues I will withdraw my input to the forum and take my ball home haha...


Feck off then. No one will miss you.

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